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Tesla Full Self Driving uses bicycle lane in official Denmark approval video

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Re: Tesla Full Self Driving uses bicycle lane in official Denmark approval video

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Post by Veserv »

ShinyLeftPad wrote: post #7

I don't speak the language but I wonder why the video doesn't show it actually entering the lane...

Really, your first instinct is: "The journalists are engaging in a baseless smear campaign."

The video evidence clearly demonstrates it engaging in a clearly signed illegal maneuver that it should never have even begun. Furthermore, your mischaracterization of the video is significant. The car straightens out having crossed the pedestrian walkway clearly indicated on the dash screen. The dash screen clearly indicates the vehicle intending to continue to travel on the bike-only road.

In addition, this is Tesla's own official curated video [1]. Tesla is the one who decided that failure to obey clearly indicated signs and engaging in a illegal maneuver is the best representation of their product they could muster.

[1] https://x.com/teslaeurope/status/2064350518907167166

Re: Tesla Full Self Driving uses bicycle lane in official Denmark approval video

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Post by dyauspitr »

Self driving without lidar just inherently feels very unsafe. There are like a million things we can’t see, especially at night and in bad weather. I just wish they would suck up their pride and put in solid state lidars in their new models (which are very cheap now) so we can actually have good self driving that is actually available directly to the consumer.

Having watched a lot of the Tesla self driving videos. It seems to be getting pretty good but it’s still only at like 98 or 99% reliability what that means is I can’t go to sleep in the car and it needs to get to the point like a waymo where you can just go to sleep in the car.

Re: Tesla Full Self Driving uses bicycle lane in official Denmark approval video

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Post by rootusrootus »

vardump wrote: post #16
lnsru wrote: post #9

So now I am in a beta test as a vehicle dummy without a chance to opt out. My model Y can’t keep lanes what my entry level Škoda does perfectly fine. My model Y slams on the brakes occasionally when I try cruise control feature on empty highway. I reported this defect as a case for warranty, but according Tesla this is fine functionality.

Do you mean FSD or Autosteer (or Autopilot or whatever it's called now). I think Tesla left Autosteer purposefully crappy. FSD is excellent at keeping the lane, way better than what your Škoda can do.

I agree it is intentional. They haven't updated autosteer, as far as I can tell, since the Model 3 was released. Certainly my 2023 (sold a couple weeks ago) was no better than my 2019 was, and notably worse than my Ford Lightning. Outside of FSD, most everyone else makes superior TACC & lane centering now.

Re: Tesla Full Self Driving uses bicycle lane in official Denmark approval video

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Post by bluecalm »

lightedman wrote: post #8

Might make sense, in California's driver handbook you're required to pull into the bike lane to make a turn if the bike lane is there. Part of that programming should have already existed given where Teslas were made.

Dude, there is a sign saying it's not a road for cars. Its driving into a road its banned from entering. It means Tesla can't even read road signs.

Re: Tesla Full Self Driving uses bicycle lane in official Denmark approval video

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Post by speedgoose »

vardump wrote: post #16
lnsru wrote: post #9

So now I am in a beta test as a vehicle dummy without a chance to opt out. My model Y can’t keep lanes what my entry level Škoda does perfectly fine. My model Y slams on the brakes occasionally when I try cruise control feature on empty highway. I reported this defect as a case for warranty, but according Tesla this is fine functionality.

Do you mean FSD or Autosteer (or Autopilot or whatever it's called now). I think Tesla left Autosteer purposefully crappy. FSD is excellent at keeping the lane, way better than what your Škoda can do.

I feel like many won’t consider FSD if their autopilot doesn’t work well.

Maybe they did some market analysis. I find the idea that a shitty autopilot will trigger FSD conversions to be very optimistic.

Re: Tesla Full Self Driving uses bicycle lane in official Denmark approval video

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Post by rootusrootus »

lightedman wrote: post #8

Might make sense, in California's driver handbook you're required to pull into the bike lane to make a turn if the bike lane is there. Part of that programming should have already existed given where Teslas were made.

That's wild. In Oregon you will get a ticket for driving in the bike lane at all, turn or not. The only exception are bike lanes that go straight and briefly share a turning lane, but those are clearly marked for that purpose.

Good reminder that you should always be aware of local traffic laws when you travel, most places in the US are similar but not identical.

Re: Tesla Full Self Driving uses bicycle lane in official Denmark approval video

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Post by martin8412 »

threetonesun wrote: post #17
lnsru wrote: post #9

So now I am in a beta test as a vehicle dummy without a chance to opt out. My model Y can’t keep lanes what my entry level Škoda does perfectly fine. My model Y slams on the brakes occasionally when I try cruise control feature on empty highway. I reported this defect as a case for warranty, but according Tesla this is fine functionality.

You can opt out by selling it. I suppose if you think it's enough of an issue you could do us all a favor and just have it crushed.

How does that help everyone else on the streets? Everyone becomes a victim of poorly working automated driving.

Re: Tesla Full Self Driving uses bicycle lane in official Denmark approval video

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Post by ShinyLeftPad »

Veserv wrote: post #21
ShinyLeftPad wrote: post #7

I don't speak the language but I wonder why the video doesn't show it actually entering the lane...

Really, your first instinct is: "The journalists are engaging in a baseless smear campaign." The video evidence clearly demonstrates it engaging in a clearly signed illegal maneuver that it should never have even begun. Furthermore, your mischaracterization of the video is significant. The car straightens out having crossed the pedestrian walkway clearly indicated on the dash screen. The dash screen clearly indicates…

No, it was not my instinct.

Re: Tesla Full Self Driving uses bicycle lane in official Denmark approval video

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Post by robotresearcher »

spacedcowboy wrote: post #20
shevy-java wrote: post #6

At first I thought Tesla AI is stupid, trying to kill humans here. Then I realised: skynet has begun ... it does not care about humans.

Skynet has indeed begun. There was a post recently about the very first time completely independent non-humans chose to kill humans (Russians) in the Russia-Ukraine conflict.

I’m pretty sure non-human tigers have been killing humans for ages.
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