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Re: Kimi K2.7-Code: open-source coding model with better token efficiency

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Post by codemog »

WarmWash wrote: post #93
dcreater wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've heard this claim before but I've never seen any evidence.

Assuming you are just naive like so many others about China... China is a communist country with elements of capitalistic markets baked in. But the capitalistic elements are mostly a facade. Underneath, the state retains full ownership and control of all business. The CCP runs all aspects of the government (including the courts/judges), and is the single entity that decides what directions the country (and it's busin…

Crazy mental gymnastics if you think the American oligarchs don’t have the final say on everything in America. They’re just smart enough to do it behind the scenes, well they used to be. They barely bother anymore.

Re: Kimi K2.7-Code: open-source coding model with better token efficiency

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Post by sroerick »

marcyb5st wrote: post #46
bgins wrote: post #3

I am still very new to the open-weight/source models. If anyone is using them full-time, I’d really love to hear about the setup and how they perform, as I am considering moving my org off Anthropic products.

Anecdotal, but here's my experience. For personal stuff I use forgecode with openrouter. Firstly, forgecode is a much better harness than Cloude code (IMHO). Anyway, regarding the models, my experience is that there is not much difference in terms of quality, but the cost difference is insane. At least for how I use agents. Yesterday's example is the following: I am developing a small DSL for search across complex te…

I'm making DSLs a lot as an architecture pattern also. I'd be curious to know what stack you're using this and how you're approaching it

Re: Kimi K2.7-Code: open-source coding model with better token efficiency

#103

Post by msdz »

WarmWash wrote: post #93
dcreater wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've heard this claim before but I've never seen any evidence.

Assuming you are just naive like so many others about China... China is a communist country with elements of capitalistic markets baked in. But the capitalistic elements are mostly a facade. Underneath, the state retains full ownership and control of all business. The CCP runs all aspects of the government (including the courts/judges), and is the single entity that decides what directions the country (and it's busin…

> China is a communist country with elements of capitalistic markets baked in.

While I get the point you're making (it should be pretty obvious to anyone who's held a newspaper), I think it's important regardless to point out that Chinese companies AFAIK aren't worker-owned or -controlled, so you can't exactly call it communism, either. And they obviously do not have a "free market capitalism", as you just discussed.

It's simply a highly authoritarian state then, I guess?

Re: Kimi K2.7-Code: open-source coding model with better token efficiency

#104

Post by fuck_google »

dcreater wrote: post #81
esafak wrote: post #72

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I don't think "Chinese" is pejorative in this context any more than "American" is. They are one of the two ecosystems. What's wrong with saying "Japanese cars" today?

Sadly there is a pejorative context. The constant us, the free world vs China, the evil Soviets rhetoric from every major news establishment and executive creates that negative view

On the other hand the Trump administration has successfully managed to make Chinese seem better than American, so there might not be that much of a pejorative context any more..

Re: Kimi K2.7-Code: open-source coding model with better token efficiency

#105

Post by WarmWash »

jdw64 wrote: post #82
WarmWash wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I tend to agree with the comment in my reply thread about whether we really need to add biased modifiers to the essence of a good product. I think every national system in this world is flawed. And in this context, 'China or Chinese' is often used in a negative sense, like 'Made in China'. But KIMI is a good model, and I think the comment that pointed this out to me correctly identified my unconscious bias. And even…

Whether or not it's propaganda is different from the fact that it is owned by the CCP.

Re: Kimi K2.7-Code: open-source coding model with better token efficiency

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Post by Bnjoroge »

varispeed wrote: post #68
schmorptron wrote: post #66

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Cursor's composer models are finetuned kimi

They are unusable (unless you want to deliberately destroy your codebase). So if Cursor's models are Kimi based, then well. I'll skip them altogether.

They are far from unusable. They aork great for 80-90% of a typical full stack dev. Alot less useful for more noche stuff

Re: Kimi K2.7-Code: open-source coding model with better token efficiency

#107

Post by WarmWash »

codemog wrote: post #101
WarmWash wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assuming you are just naive like so many others about China... China is a communist country with elements of capitalistic markets baked in. But the capitalistic elements are mostly a facade. Underneath, the state retains full ownership and control of all business. The CCP runs all aspects of the government (including the courts/judges), and is the single entity that decides what directions the country (and it's busin…

Crazy mental gymnastics if you think the American oligarchs don’t have the final say on everything in America. They’re just smart enough to do it behind the scenes, well they used to be. They barely bother anymore.

Generally I consider conspiracy to be the "crazy mental gymnastics"

Re: Kimi K2.7-Code: open-source coding model with better token efficiency

#108

Post by qingcharles »

varispeed wrote: post #68
schmorptron wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cursor's composer models are finetuned kimi

They are unusable (unless you want to deliberately destroy your codebase). So if Cursor's models are Kimi based, then well. I'll skip them altogether.

They're not unusable, they're just bad when compared with all the real frontier models.

Re: Kimi K2.7-Code: open-source coding model with better token efficiency

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Post by deadbolt »

well_ackshually wrote: post #78
WarmWash wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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yes, yes, the spectre of communism, BYD is the CCP, Alibaba is the CCP, stealing your children and eating them for Mao, bla bla bla. I have a feeling you'd be slightly salty at people saying "Google and Tesla are making CIA models"

Going by their response you appear to have been correct lol

Re: Kimi K2.7-Code: open-source coding model with better token efficiency

#110

Post by qingcharles »

trollbridge wrote: post #32
shreedx wrote: post #10

I would really love to know if anyone has any experience with something like opencode + Kimi K2.6/2.7 now compared to Claude Code. What is better, what is worse, what is the cost comparison. I am currently paying $100 for the 5x Max plan, but Fable is running through the usage limits quite drastically and I cannot really say it's night and day compared to Opus. Also, I use this mostly for my side projects, so the $10…

I am extremely happy with ohmypi, but you could use OpenCode or just keep using Claude Code! DeepSeek-V4-Pro is adequate plus use DS4-Flash for tasks or other small activity you’d use Haiku or Sonnet for. Go sign up with $10 prepaid. OpenCode Go - go sign up with $5 for a month and use Qwen-3.7-Max for design/plan/architecture or difficult troubleshooting. Feels closer to Opus 3.6 or 3.7 than DeepSeek, closest I’ve f…

Also, if you do have SuperGrok, forget using Grok, they are giving you Composer 2.5 in Grok Build.
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