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Kimi K2.7-Code: open-source coding model with better token efficiency
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Re: Kimi K2.7-Code: open-source coding model with better token efficiency
#72Personally, when I use open code or routers, I feel that beyond a certain level, the models don't make a huge difference to me. Except for expensive and mediocre models like Gemini. In that sense, Chinese models are pretty good. I usually write code in function or method units and then design and assemble them together. GPT series models are more thorough and better, but I'm not sure if the difference is enormous. It…
I really hope we stop using the term "Chinese models". It has this air of Negative connotation. It's the equivalent of calling cars Japanese, which people used to do but now is almost entirely meaningless. You just call them Toyota, Honda, Lexus etc.
I don't think "Chinese" is pejorative in this context any more than "American" is. They are one of the two ecosystems. What's wrong with saying "Japanese cars" today?
Re: Kimi K2.7-Code: open-source coding model with better token efficiency
#73Personally, when I use open code or routers, I feel that beyond a certain level, the models don't make a huge difference to me. Except for expensive and mediocre models like Gemini. In that sense, Chinese models are pretty good. I usually write code in function or method units and then design and assemble them together. GPT series models are more thorough and better, but I'm not sure if the difference is enormous. It…
I really hope we stop using the term "Chinese models". It has this air of Negative connotation. It's the equivalent of calling cars Japanese, which people used to do but now is almost entirely meaningless. You just call them Toyota, Honda, Lexus etc.
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Re: Kimi K2.7-Code: open-source coding model with better token efficiency
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
I really hope we stop using the term "Chinese models". It has this air of Negative connotation. It's the equivalent of calling cars Japanese, which people used to do but now is almost entirely meaningless. You just call them Toyota, Honda, Lexus etc.
You are right. I agree.It may seem like a kind of bias, but I hadn't thought of that part. Thank you for pointing out my bias.
"You're absolutely right"?
Re: Kimi K2.7-Code: open-source coding model with better token efficiency
#75Re: Kimi K2.7-Code: open-source coding model with better token efficiency
#76Reading their modified license terms, it cracks me up, because they've basically remade the MIT to be the MIT + the one clause that the BSD used to have, which didn't care about MAU or revenue, if you used it in a product, they asked you to 'advertise' them basically. Honestly, its a reasonable request.
This is the cursor callout. Don't make us shame you into disclosure
Wasn't the end of that story that Cursor had a non-disclosure licence, so they had not done anything wrong towards Moonshot?
Re: Kimi K2.7-Code: open-source coding model with better token efficiency
#77I am still very new to the open-weight/source models. If anyone is using them full-time, I’d really love to hear about the setup and how they perform, as I am considering moving my org off Anthropic products.
I used glm5/5.1 for 60 days. Certainly better than Sonnet 4.6, not as good as Opus or GPT.
Use DCP or Magic Context plugin in OpenCode to keep the context below 160k and you're fine.
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
I really hope we stop using the term "Chinese models". It has this air of Negative connotation. It's the equivalent of calling cars Japanese, which people used to do but now is almost entirely meaningless. You just call them Toyota, Honda, Lexus etc.
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yes, yes, the spectre of communism, BYD is the CCP, Alibaba is the CCP, stealing your children and eating them for Mao, bla bla bla.
I have a feeling you'd be slightly salty at people saying "Google and Tesla are making CIA models"
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#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
I really hope we stop using the term "Chinese models". It has this air of Negative connotation. It's the equivalent of calling cars Japanese, which people used to do but now is almost entirely meaningless. You just call them Toyota, Honda, Lexus etc.
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I've heard this claim before but I've never seen any evidence.
Re: Kimi K2.7-Code: open-source coding model with better token efficiency
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I'm not sure I would put too much weight on DeepSWE as a benchmark, given that GPT-5.4-mini ended up close to Opus 4.6 there.
Any benchmark is iffy and has weird results, but this is the best we got at the moment. Most people working with Opus and Kimi would likely tell you they're much further apart than the numbers that were quoted for Kimi K2.6, and DeepSWE seems to capture that gap better. One major thing DeepSWE has going for it is that all other benchmarks (including those quoted by MoonshotAI on this page) don't: the other benchmarks…
Somehow the internet has also forgot that cheating to get ahead in China is basically a norm and expected behavior.