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Kimi K2.7-Code: open-source coding model with better token efficiency

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Re: Kimi K2.7-Code: open-source coding model with better token efficiency

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Post by dcreater »

esafak wrote: post #72
dcreater wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really hope we stop using the term "Chinese models". It has this air of Negative connotation. It's the equivalent of calling cars Japanese, which people used to do but now is almost entirely meaningless. You just call them Toyota, Honda, Lexus etc.

I don't think "Chinese" is pejorative in this context any more than "American" is. They are one of the two ecosystems. What's wrong with saying "Japanese cars" today?

Sadly there is a pejorative context. The constant us, the free world vs China, the evil Soviets rhetoric from every major news establishment and executive creates that negative view

Re: Kimi K2.7-Code: open-source coding model with better token efficiency

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Post by jdw64 »

WarmWash wrote: post #73
dcreater wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really hope we stop using the term "Chinese models". It has this air of Negative connotation. It's the equivalent of calling cars Japanese, which people used to do but now is almost entirely meaningless. You just call them Toyota, Honda, Lexus etc.

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I tend to agree with the comment in my reply thread about whether we really need to add biased modifiers to the essence of a good product. I think every national system in this world is flawed. And in this context, 'China or Chinese' is often used in a negative sense, like 'Made in China'. But KIMI is a good model, and I think the comment that pointed this out to me correctly identified my unconscious bias.

And even if the Chinese Communist Party provided funding, the result is still transparently released. So even if it is some kind of propaganda, I don't see what the problem is.

Is the monopolistic greed of American companies 'good', and China's greed 'bad'? I do have that question.

Re: Kimi K2.7-Code: open-source coding model with better token efficiency

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Post by Terretta »

well_ackshually wrote: post #78
WarmWash wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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yes, yes, the spectre of communism, BYD is the CCP, Alibaba is the CCP, stealing your children and eating them for Mao, bla bla bla. I have a feeling you'd be slightly salty at people saying "Google and Tesla are making CIA models"

I mean...

Since its development, IQT has invested in over 750 startups spanning diverse technological sectors, including:

  - Artificial Intelligence
  - Space Technologies
  - Microelectronics and Quantum Computing
  - Life Sciences
  - Cybersecurity
  - Hardware
  - Energy
This broad portfolio has enabled IQT to address a wide array of national security challenges while supporting the growth of innovative startups…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-Q-Tel

https://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2012/07/16/15...

https://www.cgai.ca/th_bn_iqt

Re: Kimi K2.7-Code: open-source coding model with better token efficiency

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Post by Maxious »

7734128 wrote: post #76
htrp wrote: post #49

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This is the cursor callout. Don't make us shame you into disclosure

Wasn't the end of that story that Cursor had a non-disclosure licence, so they had not done anything wrong towards Moonshot?

Moonshot licenced it to Fireworks AI who licenced it to Cursor.

Re: Kimi K2.7-Code: open-source coding model with better token efficiency

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Post by pixel_popping »

RIshabh235 wrote: post #63

I think deepseek has crossed the threshold for being on par with opus 4.6 and kimi is doing a great job in shipping velocity.

Deepseek V4 is far from Opus 4.6 level, it might look like it at first glance, but the general reasoning (especially multi-steps) is frankly far off. It's good enough to build great things don't get me wrong, but there is really something that is different from Anthropic models.

Re: Kimi K2.7-Code: open-source coding model with better token efficiency

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Post by greenavocado »

dcreater wrote: post #62
jdw64 wrote: post #43

Personally, when I use open code or routers, I feel that beyond a certain level, the models don't make a huge difference to me. Except for expensive and mediocre models like Gemini. In that sense, Chinese models are pretty good. I usually write code in function or method units and then design and assemble them together. GPT series models are more thorough and better, but I'm not sure if the difference is enormous. It…

I really hope we stop using the term "Chinese models". It has this air of Negative connotation. It's the equivalent of calling cars Japanese, which people used to do but now is almost entirely meaningless. You just call them Toyota, Honda, Lexus etc.

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Re: Kimi K2.7-Code: open-source coding model with better token efficiency

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Post by pcwelder »

Great! Finally follows custom tool call format (k2.6 couldn't). It's a good indicator of instructions following and agentic behaviour.

UIs it's generating is pretty good, not without problems, but certainly better than other models at this price point.

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