Not the US but the Dutch state is the problem here.
The powers that be know that US espionage is not only limited to some emails and also entails sophisticated industrial espionage and never cared.
Now "suddenly" they want to do something about it.
This is Not about Dutch interests / sovereignty - we need to find out what it really is about.
Digital Sovereignty Becomes an Imperative as the US Reads Dutch Emails
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Re: Digital Sovereignty Becomes an Imperative as the US Reads Dutch Emails
#52It seems similar conversations are happening in Europe as well. Originally, Korea is a country where the 'pro US faction' (the faction that believes Korea should be subordinate to the US) is very strong by default. The US had a very strong influence on the establishment of the Korean government, and if you look back at Korea's history, it has always been about finding a country to serve. It feels like siding with the…
Can you run an empire democratically? Imagine if the US president instead of being a dictator had to actually spend EVERY SINGLE DAY convincing Congress members.
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#53With DigiID, as with this, I never understood why countries give critical infrastructure contracts away from the country it directly impacts, provided they have a mature tech ecosystem. I thought the whole point was that it was critical?
Because politicians hate depending on their engineers so much that they are willing to risk high treason charges instead?
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#54With DigiID, as with this, I never understood why countries give critical infrastructure contracts away from the country it directly impacts, provided they have a mature tech ecosystem. I thought the whole point was that it was critical?
Because politicians hate depending on their engineers so much that they are willing to risk high treason charges instead?
Nobody is getting charged for this in any way.
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#55We've known this since the Snowden leaks 13 years ago. In a couple of years there will probably be a president in the US that will be more palatable for the european political class and we'll all be able to go back to pretending this doesn't happen.
After all the EU is too compromised energetically, militarily, industrially, burocratically and democratically to ever achieve independence. Talking about digital sovereignty as we ban construction of new datacenter is just too cute. This is all just political theater as we peacefully sunset into a museum continent.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because Trump has 2.5 years left and they may be hoping a Democrat wins
Trump was elected . Twice. It was not a fluke, not a once in a lifetime event, he's a symptom of wider processes happening in the US. The world has changed and the old order is not coming back
Half the countries in Europe has their own Trump-equivalent politician heading one of the largest parties, and yet Europeans are imagining it's something happening "in the US" while they sleepwalk into disaster.
Re: Digital Sovereignty Becomes an Imperative as the US Reads Dutch Emails
#59It seems similar conversations are happening in Europe as well. Originally, Korea is a country where the 'pro US faction' (the faction that believes Korea should be subordinate to the US) is very strong by default. The US had a very strong influence on the establishment of the Korean government, and if you look back at Korea's history, it has always been about finding a country to serve. It feels like siding with the…
I have never seen anti American sentiment this bad Bad is subjective?
I am speaking based on the response criteria of Korea's largest research institution.[1]
https://kbthink.com/news-list/view.html?newsId=2026011611543...
Re: Digital Sovereignty Becomes an Imperative as the US Reads Dutch Emails
#60This is entirely the wrong lesson to take from this. Why are we still using a plaintext protocol in this day and age? Why can we not get an E2EE addition to the email protocol with full backwards compatibility? Yes, I understand that it would be imperfect since inevitably not all servers would support it thus forcing additional understanding and decisions on the end user. No, I don't care that a user other than mysel…
For a public institution you want some sort of accountability / auditing mechanism, so you can't just do E2EE encryption between users.
Otherwise, a public servant could do sketchy stuff behind the public's back with no paper trace.
What you don't want is hostile foreign capitalists leaking your data to their local authoritarians. They are not your public and shouldn't have the data in the first place.