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Re: The U.S. Is Terrorizing Cuba to Make Rich Men Richer

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Post by Braxton1980 »

alehlopeh wrote: post #20
andyjohnson0 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a strong argument that the Cuban government has treated many Cuban citizens badly. But the assertion that this mistreatment is why the US is behaving aggressively towards Cuba is pretty naive. The people in power in the US at the moment do not care about the civil and political rights of Cubans. They care about acquiring Cuba and its natural reaources for themselves and their clients.

Marco Rubio cares about his own quest to be the man who finally frees Cuba from communism. He doesn’t care about natural resources. It’s a pride thing. And I’m fine with that.

What about the mass suffering the US boycott has caused?

Re: The U.S. Is Terrorizing Cuba to Make Rich Men Richer

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Post by alehlopeh »

newaccountman2 wrote: post #37
alehlopeh wrote: post #15

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> Most Americans don’t even realize that there are millions of folks in Miami whose parents fled Cuba when the communists took over. No, we know, we just don't think it should affect our foreign policy. My own family also fled a similar situation btw, communists ousting them and taking their business, ultimately leading them to emigrate here. But you have no idea how unsympathetic "pre-revolution Cuban factory owner"…

I can tell you factory owners aren’t exactly billionaires. There haven’t been rich Cubans coming since the 60’s. But there have been tons of other Cubans coming. They also hate communism. Why else would they leave?

Re: The U.S. Is Terrorizing Cuba to Make Rich Men Richer

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Post by alehlopeh »

Braxton1980 wrote: post #51
alehlopeh wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Marco Rubio cares about his own quest to be the man who finally frees Cuba from communism. He doesn’t care about natural resources. It’s a pride thing. And I’m fine with that.

What about the mass suffering the US boycott has caused?

Whatabout the mass suffering communism has caused? Or do you think they would be a perfect utopia if it weren’t for the Us boycott?

Re: The U.S. Is Terrorizing Cuba to Make Rich Men Richer

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Post by alehlopeh »

andyjohnson0 wrote: post #39
alehlopeh wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Marco Rubio cares about his own quest to be the man who finally frees Cuba from communism. He doesn’t care about natural resources. It’s a pride thing. And I’m fine with that.

> And I’m fine with that. People, specifically children, are dying: "infant mortality has doubled to 9.9 per 1,000 births; childhood cancer survival rates have fallen from 85 to 65 per cent; and essential medicines are available at only around 30 per cent of normal supply levels." [1] Are you fine with that? [1] Children are dying as US sanctions push Cuba to the brink, warns UN human rights chief https://news.un.org…

People are dying everywhere all the time. What has communism achieved that it’s worth having these kind of infant mortality rates? I promise you if it weren’t for communism they would have much lower infant mortality rates.

Re: The U.S. Is Terrorizing Cuba to Make Rich Men Richer

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Post by ElevenLathe »

RickJWagner wrote: post #45
ElevenLathe wrote: post #33

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The main reason Cuba was valuable to U.S. interests before the Revolution was as a playground for American vacationers. Las Vegas was basically spun up as a replacement Havana after the Revolution took it away from U.S. interests and jet air travel made Nevada a reasonable destination for well-heeled East Coasters. I think something similar could be true today, and it doesn't require any natural resources beyond chea…

Hot Springs, Arkansas was an alternative during that era. The nations first national park anchored the attraction, complete with eponymous hot natural water baths. All the big celebrities of the day vacationed there ( alongside all the biggest gangsters, Al Capone included ) and professional baseball teams held spring training there. Today, Hot Springs is still a pleasant place to visit, but it’s no longer a national…

Hot Sprints was pretty sad the last time I visited (more than 10 years ago now), but you could clearly see that it was once a ritzy place. One thing Havana had on Hot Springs was obviously that they could be open about liquor consumption during U.S. Prohibition (not that there was no booze available in a place like Hot Springs), and of course also the ability to bootleg liquor back to the U.S.

At the time of the Revolution, Cuba was effectively run by American East Coast mobsters and U.S. sugar, fruit, and tobacco interests. Security services like the relatively-new CIA got much more interested after it "fell" to communism, but were also part of the pre-Revolution power structure too -- as were the well-heeled Cuban oligarchs/capitalists/landowners who were dispossessed during the Revolution and decided to flee to Miami (and eventually produce our current Secretary of State)

Re: The U.S. Is Terrorizing Cuba to Make Rich Men Richer

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Post by alehlopeh »

newaccountman2 wrote: post #37
alehlopeh wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> Most Americans don’t even realize that there are millions of folks in Miami whose parents fled Cuba when the communists took over. No, we know, we just don't think it should affect our foreign policy. My own family also fled a similar situation btw, communists ousting them and taking their business, ultimately leading them to emigrate here. But you have no idea how unsympathetic "pre-revolution Cuban factory owner"…

And what’s with this “our politics” bs? You don’t think Cuban Americans are as American as you are?

Re: The U.S. Is Terrorizing Cuba to Make Rich Men Richer

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Post by sjsdaiuasgdia »

alehlopeh wrote: post #50
sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #34

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Rubio's family left Cuba before the revolution that put Castro in power. Rubio has been pushing a false narrative of his family's history for a long time.

Doesn’t matter what the history of his family is. That’s his stated goal. Or don’t you think they would have returned once Batista was removed from power?

I think he's a liar, and therefore I don't give a shit what he says his reasons are.

Re: The U.S. Is Terrorizing Cuba to Make Rich Men Richer

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Post by UncleMeat »

boxed wrote: post #13

Maybe. But also, if the regime falls, you know who will become richer and more healthy? ALL CUBANS! If bad people do the right thing for the wrong reasons, we should be thankful, not angry.

Oh yes. We've seen so many US invasions for the purpose of regime change end up with prosperity for the citizens of those countries.

Re: The U.S. Is Terrorizing Cuba to Make Rich Men Richer

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Post by archagon »

alehlopeh wrote: post #54
andyjohnson0 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And I’m fine with that. People, specifically children, are dying: "infant mortality has doubled to 9.9 per 1,000 births; childhood cancer survival rates have fallen from 85 to 65 per cent; and essential medicines are available at only around 30 per cent of normal supply levels." [1] Are you fine with that? [1] Children are dying as US sanctions push Cuba to the brink, warns UN human rights chief https://news.un.org…

People are dying everywhere all the time. What has communism achieved that it’s worth having these kind of infant mortality rates? I promise you if it weren’t for communism they would have much lower infant mortality rates.

“I don’t care how many people die as long as my ideology wins.”

Sounds familiar.

Re: The U.S. Is Terrorizing Cuba to Make Rich Men Richer

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Post by newaccountman2 »

alehlopeh wrote: post #56
newaccountman2 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Most Americans don’t even realize that there are millions of folks in Miami whose parents fled Cuba when the communists took over. No, we know, we just don't think it should affect our foreign policy. My own family also fled a similar situation btw, communists ousting them and taking their business, ultimately leading them to emigrate here. But you have no idea how unsympathetic "pre-revolution Cuban factory owner"…

And what’s with this “our politics” bs? You don’t think Cuban Americans are as American as you are?

What about what I said is inconsistent with Cuban Americans being American?

It's all of our collective foreign policy, so why should we let one portion of us drag it off in some direction that the whole doesn't care for?

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