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Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

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Re: Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

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Reminds me of that sci-fi short film where kids are playing a VR game controlling virtual avatars looking for and shooting virtual enemies, while in the real world, unbeknownst to them, they are actually piloting robots that are hunting down and killing dissidents.

a dark update of ender's game

Re: Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

#272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Details?

from 1 day ago: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2529849-fully-autonomou...

The article is from 1 day ago, talks about something that happened two years ago, and includes this quote

> “We tried it,” says drone-maker[…]. “It’s a test. We never implemented it [more widely].”

Re: Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Details?

If you want to kill some redacted that are sitting in a trench inside the killzone but don't want to risk your own life, the ground drone with a machine gun (remote operated as of now) goes there. It was April this year when the news were saying a position was taken over by remote drones alone. With news being Ukrainian propaganda you can of course take it with a grain of salt, but it's probably at least somewhat tru…

I thought that was still human-in-the-loop? The drone's onboard computing identifies a potential target from a distance such that EW isn't effective, the human confirms it, and the drone moves in closer to attack. At this point jamming doesn't matter because the drone already has its orders.

Re: Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

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post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

from 1 day ago: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2529849-fully-autonomou...

“We just launch it and we know everything will be dead – everything that will be found there in this particular area will be dead,” says Kokhanovskyy. “There is no connection to the drone at all, you cannot see the video, nothing… Everything it sees will be killed.” Because there are never any civilians caught in the middle of two warring armies, right? I think the ICC will be getting real busy soon.

“We just launch it and we know everything will be dead – everything that will be found there in this particular area will be dead,” says Kokhanovskyy.

Everything! Everything! Like all the deer, all the rabbits, all the decoys! Obviously we trust Kokhanovskyy

Re: Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

#275

As someone who works in this space, the headline is a bit of a stretch. The overlap in the locations of Pokemon Go Player data and any active Drone heavy theaters of war is a tiny sliver (or zero?). The military contractor (Vantar/Maxar) in question basically admits so but just "reserves the right" to use the data which is the political battle line ala Claude and DoD. This is mostly an ideological battle.

Even the Pokémon Go world model headlines were stretching the reality of what the model captured. If you’ve played the game, the scanning function is only for what they call Pokestops: These are points of interest that you can walk to and get items in the game. The game gives you points if you walk in a circle around one and take a short video. They’re relatively sparse. At most, they captured some 3D models of some…

Readers here really need to learn how to cut through hype better than they do. Pokemon go data is limited in far more ways. Many points of interest couldn't even be scanned like this because they were mural on the sides of buildings and don't even have more than one side. At least at first, there was no punishment for not actually scanning anything at all. You could walk in a circle with your phone pointed at the ground and it would still count that and give you points. People played in the dark or in crowds that didn't want to be filmed and this was the only way Niantic could make a feature like this that awarded prizes palatable to everyone. Beyond that, the points of interest don't even all exist. Plenty of the original database from Ingress is still present on the PoGo maps in Dallas and much of it hasn't existed in the real world for a decade, but players have no incentive to remove them because the more that exist in the game, the more you can get from playing since they're the points that spawn everything you might want to collect while playing. This became especially noticeable during the Black Lives Matter hubbub a decade back when old monuments to Civil War heroes erected during the Civil Rights era were torn down. All of those were POI in Ingress and PoGo and they still are, but they're gone from the real world.

I feel like users and readers instinctively know these limitations. We work with digital maps all the time that are out-of-date. Google and Apple don't and can't know any and all road closure and vehicle accidents in real time. Your car's radar road mapping service is as up-to-date as anything, but you still may be the first person to ever encounter a sinkhole or pothole that just appeared and it won't be on the map until you discover it. Satellite data is even more out of date because it can't be as frequently updated. There aren't anywhere near as many sensors in orbit or aerially as there are on the ground.

I haven't played PoGo in a while, but Niantic used to have human moderators and also tried to crowd-source some quality control on these world models because they knew 99% of the scans they received were bunk, either of nothing, the wrong thing, the right thing but in the dark or from an obstructed angle. I have no idea how good a job they ever did of cleaning that up, but it's a difficult task and it's never done because the world is always changing. There's only so much you can do here. Technology isn't magic.

Re: Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

#276

I worked at a VPS competitor of niantic. I am conflicted on this report. 1) VPS is not new, the startup I worked at had a working public system in 2018. 2) The hard part about VPSs is not actually the navigation, its generating and querying the map. How does the VPS work? You build a point cloud of features (for us we paid people to go and record videos in cities, Tesla/Waymo/toyata/google drove cars niantic got it's…

I'm not sure they need the in between areas, so long as the landmarks are inclusive of similar features. In fact, they probably only need a high quality 3D scans of primitive features to perform classification (walls, building, intersections, etc). I haven't played recently, so I'm unsure how distinct each landmark is.

Re: Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

#277
post #271

Reminds me of that sci-fi short film where kids are playing a VR game controlling virtual avatars looking for and shooting virtual enemies, while in the real world, unbeknownst to them, they are actually piloting robots that are hunting down and killing dissidents.

a dark update of ender's game

I thought that was just Ender's Game

Re: Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

#278

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I bet the targets don't feel like they're non-violent. The animal that was killed for food doesn't think anything, because it's dead. That's pretty violent. Shooting someone that attacking you in defense was necessary, but it's definitely violent. All uses of guns are violent. That's what they do. They make holes in things that didn't have holes in them before. There are uses for them that are justified but they're a…

Your words are violence. Targets are inanimate objects I’m fine with being violent against them just like I’m fine with farting on my chair! Even if all uses of weapons are violence, sometimes violence is justified. If you disagree happy to violently rob you and disabuse you of your stupid ideas. Opinions of people who lived sheltered lives are so divorced from reality

They literally said, "Violence is necessary and justified in various situations, which means guns are necessary and justified in various situations"

Re: Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

#279

If you are looking for something to channel that energy into, you could help improve open street map using streetcomplete: https://streetcomplete.app/

Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a project like mapillary or streetcomplete that forbids military use.

Re: Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

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post #21

August 2016: Iran Becomes First Country to Ban Pokémon GO https://www.avclub.com/iran-becomes-first-country-to-ban-pok... Really smart decision, in hindsight.

This is what censorship looks like. This is what should get people angry. Not localization changes, but actual government-mandated changes or bans. By censoring the internet, Iran is not protecting its citizens but rather the ruling government. Or maybe sometimes censorship actually DOES protect its citizens?

That's a funny tantrum. It's barely even censorship cause the game isn't about speech. I can't think of a single reason any country besides the US should've allowed Pokémon Go to operate there, phoning location scans back home.
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