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Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

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Re: Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

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Post by Muromec »

sciencejerk wrote: post #186
Muromec wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kill bots are used right now in Ukraine, including ones with no operator in the loop (too slow)

Details?

If you want to kill some redacted that are sitting in a trench inside the killzone but don't want to risk your own life, the ground drone with a machine gun (remote operated as of now) goes there. It was April this year when the news were saying a position was taken over by remote drones alone. With news being Ukrainian propaganda you can of course take it with a grain of salt, but it's probably at least somewhat true.

Ground drones however are targeted by the FPV drones (wired or radio controlled), so the new thing is to have a thing with automatic targeting to shoot those. Then again, I at least heard about using something open-cv (yes, some of those run actual linux) shaped on the FPV drone itself, as it really helps with the amount of jamming going on.

Re: Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

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Post by huijzer »

fragmede wrote: post #100
christoph wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My 8 year old LOVES Pokemon Go, and we regularly go to a local meet up which is a fascinating microcosm of people of all ages from all walks of life. We’ve met some great people and had some incredible conversations, but I really struggle to see how we can continue in good faith now. I seriously loath, hate & despise everything about this digital panopticon world being constructed around us.

The data isn't guns though. Guns aren't a dual use technology that have a nonviolent purpose. Data is. The same data that trains military drones can also be used to train the robot that will bring food to grandma when she's so old that she can't walk up the stairs anymore.

> The data isn't guns though. Guns aren't a dual use technology that have a nonviolent purpose.

Counterexample, guns could be a (non-violent) hobby. I’m not pro guns or violence but just pointing out the logical issue here

Re: Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

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Post by sevenzero »

jayd16 wrote: post #233

"We shouldn't have maps because you can use them in war." seems like a wrong way to look at this problem.

Well game vendors catering game data to the military is the problem here, not the maps themselves. Maps are good, shady corpo bs isn't. Same shit Spotify pulled by investing into war machinery rather than paying the artists more.

Re: Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

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Post by jayd16 »

tomaytotomato wrote: post #33

How useful is spatial data over time, does it decay or age much? Is the geographical data more useful, or are buildings and other structures more important? Genuinely don't know much in this space.

Yes. Even dealing with "what does it look like in rain? What does it look like in snow?" is hard. Hell... "What does it look like at night" is hard. Hell.... what does it look like at noon vs sundown (no shadow vs long shadows) is hard.

Have you ever seen a commercial use of anything like this? That should give you a hint about how reliable these systems get.

Re: Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

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Post by u8080 »

monegator wrote: post #159
muyuu wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not like there's a moral high ground about not collaborating with the military. Unless you want to advantage America's adversaries, namely China, Putin's Russia and Iran's current regime. There's always this implicit, sometimes explicit, "war bad" childish political philosophy in posts like this. In reality war is a given and you have to be prepared to have the upper hand.

the EU has demonstrated for decades that by balancing trades, equality and human rights it can prevent conflicts from happening. Seems to me that most of our friends in the balkans that have memory of the past wars are overall pretty happy about the current state of things, and there hasn't been wars to contend Alsace-Lorraine in 80 years, is it a record already? War is very much not a given in the civilized world

To be more precise, two decades, from 1999 when EU countries bombed Yugoslavia and occupied Kosovo.

Re: Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

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Post by [deleted] »

pj_mukh wrote: post #111

As someone who works in this space, the headline is a bit of a stretch. The overlap in the locations of Pokemon Go Player data and any active Drone heavy theaters of war is a tiny sliver (or zero?). The military contractor (Vantar/Maxar) in question basically admits so but just "reserves the right" to use the data which is the political battle line ala Claude and DoD. This is mostly an ideological battle.

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Re: Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

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Post by monegator »

muyuu wrote: post #179
monegator wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the EU has demonstrated for decades that by balancing trades, equality and human rights it can prevent conflicts from happening. Seems to me that most of our friends in the balkans that have memory of the past wars are overall pretty happy about the current state of things, and there hasn't been wars to contend Alsace-Lorraine in 80 years, is it a record already? War is very much not a given in the civilized world

That's why they have a full blown war in their borders and they're powerless without American hardware and intelligence. Also they're right now scrambling to allocate huge investments in weaponry, of course late, but better than never.

Full blown war: putin scared that more territories will want to join the EU block. No internal wars and more countries wishing to enter the block.

Powerless without american hardware and intelligence: You wish. Big tech is spending so much lobbying our governments in fear of us leaving them for open solutions, or god forbid paying fair amount of taxes.

And regarding intelligence, we would have been so much better without the CIA & co spying our politicians and messing with our governments, aiding and sponsoring domestic right wing terrorism for the past 50 years.

Re: Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

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Post by jayd16 »

sevenzero wrote: post #234
jayd16 wrote: post #233

"We shouldn't have maps because you can use them in war." seems like a wrong way to look at this problem.

Well game vendors catering game data to the military is the problem here, not the maps themselves. Maps are good, shady corpo bs isn't. Same shit Spotify pulled by investing into war machinery rather than paying the artists more.

What is the difference, in your mind, between mapping data and what was shared?
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