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Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

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Re: Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

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Post by oceansky »

pj_mukh wrote: post #111

As someone who works in this space, the headline is a bit of a stretch. The overlap in the locations of Pokemon Go Player data and any active Drone heavy theaters of war is a tiny sliver (or zero?). The military contractor (Vantar/Maxar) in question basically admits so but just "reserves the right" to use the data which is the political battle line ala Claude and DoD. This is mostly an ideological battle.

As a Pokemon go player, I would say it isn't.

There's even a Pokemon exclusive to the middle east region: sandstorm pattern Vivillion. Lots of players there.

Re: Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

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Post by drysine »

>Jeroen van den Hoven, a professor of ethics and technology at TU Delft

>Van den Hoven did not condemn battlefield VPS outright. If it helps Ukraine win a just war against an aggressor, he said, that is a good development. His worry is the system falling into the wrong hands

The professor is quite flexible with his "ethics"

Re: Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

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Post by newsclues »

fragmede wrote: post #100
christoph wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My 8 year old LOVES Pokemon Go, and we regularly go to a local meet up which is a fascinating microcosm of people of all ages from all walks of life. We’ve met some great people and had some incredible conversations, but I really struggle to see how we can continue in good faith now. I seriously loath, hate & despise everything about this digital panopticon world being constructed around us.

The data isn't guns though. Guns aren't a dual use technology that have a nonviolent purpose. Data is. The same data that trains military drones can also be used to train the robot that will bring food to grandma when she's so old that she can't walk up the stairs anymore.

Shooting guns for target practice is fun and non violent.

Guns feed families and protect people too.

They are dual use like all tech from knives to nukes.

Re: Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

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Post by tokai »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #117
pj_mukh wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which of those are active theaters of war? Pokemon Go wasn't that big in Iran or Lebanon and even there, there aren't any reports of significant drones deployed there. The only place I can imagine is maybe Ukrainian drones in Russia. Still, not a tonne of data there to be useful (as compared to say Tokyo or New York).

As I’m thinking about this, I suppose Apple Maps and OpenStreetMap are about as problematic as Niantic’s data.

Yes, and star maps can do the same when its night and clear. This is way over blown.

Re: Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

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Post by drysine »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #65
self_awareness wrote: post #9

Insane. People literally traded military intelligence for Pokémon.

In 2016 this wasn’t obviously happening/common knowledge. Remember to blame the perpetrators, not the victims.

In Russia people who warned about it were mocked as paranoid boomers. Today I wonder how many of them were paid or just encouraged to do the mocking.

Re: Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

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Post by xg15 »

ccppurcell wrote: post #82

If you are looking for something to channel that energy into, you could help improve open street map using streetcomplete: https://streetcomplete.app/

How can I channel my energy into preventing my data from being used for military purposes?

Re: Pokémon Go Scans Trained the Navigation Tech for Military Drones

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Post by dotancohen »

SahAssar wrote: post #103
rjmunro wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely military drones will use OpenStreetMap data? Even the Russians and Iranians can use it for whatever purpose they like.

Yes. Just like editing wikipedia will help train models that are used for data classification in north korea or whatever. It's a feature of open data, it's open and usable by anyone .

... for any purpose.
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