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Re: Notes on DeepSeek

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Post by throwaw12 »

alecco wrote: post #31

I remember reading a similar tweet explaining DeepSeek breaks the insane Chinese work culture. They are against 996 and brutally grinding employees. They feel like a big family and that is their hedge against poaching by Chinese Big Tech with bigger salaries. Liang Wenfeng seems to be the only AI CEO down to earth. I want to believe.

> They feel like a big family

A lot of companies were like this in 1970-80s based on stories from my parents and grandparents.

People worked in the same company for 30-40 years, when they were sick their colleagues felt like friends and visited them, tried to help with whatever they could.

vs now.... I heard XYZ is sick today (they were sick once in a year), deadlines will definitely slip, give me this project, because it is impactful for me next promo

Re: Notes on DeepSeek

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Post by kranke155 »

andrepd wrote: post #114
genewitch wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When i comment that i've researched using AI this way, it short circuits the brain of the listener/viewer and suddenly my sources aren't valid. a bing or google or wiki search to get the primary or secondary sources are okay, but if i use chat.deepseek.com instead, suddenly it isn't okay.

LLMs routinely hallucinate sources. I guess that's why some people feel that way.

LLM assisted search is now one of the best ways to look into dense and obscure topics though, particularly given as google search quality has degraded. All it needs is for you to read the sources.

Source hallucination has also come down tremendously.

Re: Notes on DeepSeek

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Post by kasey_junk »

throwaw12 wrote: post #131
alecco wrote: post #31

I remember reading a similar tweet explaining DeepSeek breaks the insane Chinese work culture. They are against 996 and brutally grinding employees. They feel like a big family and that is their hedge against poaching by Chinese Big Tech with bigger salaries. Liang Wenfeng seems to be the only AI CEO down to earth. I want to believe.

> They feel like a big family A lot of companies were like this in 1970-80s based on stories from my parents and grandparents. People worked in the same company for 30-40 years, when they were sick their colleagues felt like friends and visited them, tried to help with whatever they could. vs now.... I heard XYZ is sick today (they were sick once in a year), deadlines will definitely slip, give me this project, becau…

lol. That is some really good history rewriting. My grandparents didn’t get sick days! If you were sick there was a good chance you lost your job (except my grandmother who was college educated and was a public school teacher).

None of them worked for the same firm for 30 years because they’d get laid off, or go on strike or the plant would shut down or the crop would fail and they’d have to go get a factory job.

This glory days nonsense was exclusively reserved for the upper class. It’s pure privilege to believe jobs were in some way better historically than they are now.

Re: Notes on DeepSeek

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Post by Qhemlomo »

hsuduebc2 wrote: post #51
slaw wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In every market China dominates, Chinese products are still inexpensive. Solar panels, batteries, EVs, drones,..

Because they are subsidized by the Chinese government. This is literally a tactic to destroy global competition. It's a smart move to make everyone dependent on them.

Sooo if youg ive a country cheap solar panels and they save money and make themselfs independent, how is that making them more dependent on China?

And how is that a bad thing in comparision to the current status quo?

Solar panels are not high tech. You can build them yourself as a state in worst case. You cant make oil if you don't have oil.

Re: Notes on DeepSeek

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Post by throwaw12 »

kasey_junk wrote: post #134
throwaw12 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They feel like a big family A lot of companies were like this in 1970-80s based on stories from my parents and grandparents. People worked in the same company for 30-40 years, when they were sick their colleagues felt like friends and visited them, tried to help with whatever they could. vs now.... I heard XYZ is sick today (they were sick once in a year), deadlines will definitely slip, give me this project, becau…

lol. That is some really good history rewriting. My grandparents didn’t get sick days! If you were sick there was a good chance you lost your job (except my grandmother who was college educated and was a public school teacher). None of them worked for the same firm for 30 years because they’d get laid off, or go on strike or the plant would shut down or the crop would fail and they’d have to go get a factory job. Thi…

if it helps, I am based in EU

Re: Notes on DeepSeek

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Post by interactivecode »

shimman wrote: post #103
pooploop64 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have a lot of propaganda to deprogram regarding it being evil to do that.

Imagine how much better the future could be if we broke away from the American cold war mentality, one that has made the world more dangerous and unstable, versus actual diplomacy and cooperation?

Is making the word unstable, it's actively happening. USA has the biggest and strongest propaganda machine.

Re: Notes on DeepSeek

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Post by trollbridge »

kasey_junk wrote: post #134
throwaw12 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They feel like a big family A lot of companies were like this in 1970-80s based on stories from my parents and grandparents. People worked in the same company for 30-40 years, when they were sick their colleagues felt like friends and visited them, tried to help with whatever they could. vs now.... I heard XYZ is sick today (they were sick once in a year), deadlines will definitely slip, give me this project, becau…

lol. That is some really good history rewriting. My grandparents didn’t get sick days! If you were sick there was a good chance you lost your job (except my grandmother who was college educated and was a public school teacher). None of them worked for the same firm for 30 years because they’d get laid off, or go on strike or the plant would shut down or the crop would fail and they’d have to go get a factory job. Thi…

My grandparents (in the United States) all got sick days. One grandfather drove coal trucks in and out of an open pit coal mine. The other one was a letter carrier, and for a short while owned a dry-cleaning finishing business. (One reason they got out of owning their own business was the stress of things like how you don't get sick days when you are your own boss.)

My grandma who worked at an insurance office was likewise the same. They all got sick days, although it was a point of pride to hardly ever use them.

None of them were remotely upper class. My one side might have been middle class before the depression, though. The other side was so poor that it didn't make a big difference when the depression happened.

They worked in those jobs from WWII until they retired, longer than 30 years.

They were able to ensure their children went to college, except for one who enlisted in the Navy instead. And then they helped all of their children buy their own houses, eventually. They saved a lot and built big savings for retirement when rates were high in the 1970s and early 1980s.

Their children all have a Master's degree; their grandchildren all have a Bachelor's, one has a Master's, one has an M.D., so upward mobility really did exist back then. (The grandparents of my cousins were all solidly working class as well.)

Re: Notes on DeepSeek

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Post by mark_l_watson »

nikolay wrote: post #81

I can't recall the scientist's name, but he said months ago that DeepSeek is best for Physics (maybe it was on The Diary of a CEO podcast). So I had a long chat about the Simulation Hypothesis, and I was really surprised by how good, deep, and straight to the point it was. What's brutal is that Google, which started this AI revolution, has literally the worst coding model! I tried 3.5 Flash last week (the stupid stil…

Thanks for your comment, I especially like “If you have software engineering skills and are not an accidental vibe-coder, honestly, try it out and stop burning money.”

I thought that using Opus with the Gemini Ultra subscription was in many ways awesome, but I simply feel happier using DeepSeek v4 flash with OpenCode (so fast!) of v4 pro when required.

Re: Notes on DeepSeek

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Post by trollbridge »

sinuhe69 wrote: post #53
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #3

"As a whole, China seems to treat AI as just another technology, rather than as some kind of singularity moment." This is a refreshing perspective.

The CCP is very active in the matter of AI. In fact, the DeepSeek moment was responsible for Xi calling for a private meeting with tech bosses, including the exiled Alibaba founder Ma. Which is practically unheard of in China politics. I don't have enough information to say whether the Chinese leadership sees AI "just as the next technology" or they are more cautious due to its double-sword nature. But the immense ef…

Perhaps investing in things like affordable housing, infrastructure, clean energy, medicine for all, education, and so on results in a country and populace that ends up producing things like DeepSeek.

I am not remotely pro-CCP but I think we need to acknowledge they are doing better than we are in some of these areas.

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