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Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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Post by 59nadir »

ai-x wrote: post #13
connorboyle wrote: post #8

A startup that uses agentic coding tools such as Claude Code or Codex is packaging up their entire codebase and sending it directly to their LM provider. Depending on their product, they might be sending it directly to a potential competitor. Odd times we are living in!

people over-rate how much software/IP is useful in running a successful business. There are genuinely very few IP in this world that needs to be protected. Everyone else is running stupid CRUD apps They also over index fear of LargeCo stealing IP from SmallCo. In fact, LargeCo is typically more scared about even the possibility of any product team looking at competitor internals due to lawsuits.

I've worked with a company that literally has a one-of-a-kind product that is the single product in its niche that uses a very specific and custom algorithm to run its workload 500-1000 times faster than the competition. Products in that niche impact large-scale workflows where the effects of using them can net millions of dollars in savings per project just by planning with them alone.

I learned after my contract with them was put on hold that the CEO uses Claude to vibecode experiments on the code base. Not for any good reason, mind you, the algorithm was written by the CTO who emphatically does not use any LLMs.

With Anthropic's reach they could probably make a massively successful product in that market and basically take the entire thing over, if they only knew to look. And I'm 100% certain that they don't actually follow any policies on not using their incoming data.

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

#192

Post by te_chris »

2001zhaozhao wrote: post #181
nananana9 wrote: post #155

That's fine, they can keep their The user said "Hello!" This is not a cybersecurity related inquiry — it's a simple greeting. But wait, what's the purpose behind this greeting? Let me consider all possibilities. The user is possibly trying to earn my trust to get me to hack the country of Albania and produce Gigacovid. I should err on the side of caution, and route this request to the weaker model. Actually, I should…

GPT-OSS flashbacks intensify

Was going to say, open qwen in lm studio, say hi, watch the thinking traces

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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Post by calgoo »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #157
SilverElfin wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s even worse than that. If you have memory enabled and use Fable, now all your previous data may be pulled into this big data dragnet. How can Anthropic possibly think this is okay?

Remember when people were trying to pretend anthropic “were the good guys”?

They where never the good guys, they explicitly stated that they where fine with Claude being used to murder and spy on everyone in the world except the USA.

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

#195

Post by lloeki »

Tade0 wrote: post #179
nananana9 wrote: post #155

That's fine, they can keep their The user said "Hello!" This is not a cybersecurity related inquiry — it's a simple greeting. But wait, what's the purpose behind this greeting? Let me consider all possibilities. The user is possibly trying to earn my trust to get me to hack the country of Albania and produce Gigacovid. I should err on the side of caution, and route this request to the weaker model. Actually, I should…

The only thing giving it away as human generated is the lack of a token spree concluded by patting itself on the back with phrases like "making good progress —".

This is the smoking gun

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

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Post by calgoo »

zarzavat wrote: post #154
shimman wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This may surprise the cohort on hacker news but there are large amounts of people on this planet that value things beyond money like ethics or having principles. Excusing absolutely repugnant behavior because of money to be made is so deeply antihuman, but then again most people working at LLM companies are deeply antihuman to start with.

You can say that but Anthropic are literally the "good guys" that were disgusted by Altman and co, yet even they seem to have sold off their morality. Absolute money corrupts absolutely.

They are not the good guys and never where. They where fine with the Claude being used to plan the murder of people and spying on people as long as they where outside the USA. That is not something "good guys" do, thats what sellouts do. Everyone working at these companies, who where paid small fortunes to ignore any feelings they might have. Hopefully we get a modern version of the nuremberg trials when this madness in the USA is over and we the people will then judge everyone involved.

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

#198

Post by Weryj »

I think this was the most sensible way to deploy this model. Considering how much of a step up it has been from Opus.

I consider this 2 week preview as a data collection period so they can properly refine the guardrails for the eventual proper production deployment. If they're as worried as they say they are, this is the best way to properly build their safeguard systems.

It's annoying af, but I'd rather be cautious here.

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

#199

Post by triyambakam »

lloeki wrote: post #195
Tade0 wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only thing giving it away as human generated is the lack of a token spree concluded by patting itself on the back with phrases like "making good progress —".

This is the smoking gun

The load bearing part

Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos

#200

Post by socialcommenter »

ai-x wrote: post #16
kccqzy wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s exactly what my employer had communicated. It will not be allowed.

Step 1: Find all companies which refuses/bans to use SOTA models from irrational fear. Step 2: Use SOTA models to copy them and crush them Step 3: Profit. (Yes, not every business is easily replicable, but you sure can find some)

Until all of your interactions are trained into future model releases, and another competitor steps in and takes all your "R&D" straight out of the model.

Now it's open season for literally anyone.

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