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A Farmer Donated Land to Turn into a Park. The City Is Building a Data Center

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Re: A Farmer Donated Land to Turn into a Park. The City Is Building a Data Center

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Post by ipdashc »

rogerrogerr wrote: post #325
ipdashc wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know, you joke (I think?) but data center companies could genuinely at least open up for tours to try to appeal to the public, if public approval is apparently such a concern. It's funny that they haven't done it at all yet. Think nuclear power plants in the 60s or 70s, many of them were open for tours or school field trips or such to try to make them more appealing to the populace around them. I haven't heard of…

DC tours are probably a nightmare to do in a PCI-compliant (and the myriad other standards they claim compliance with) environment.

It's not really too complicated, iirc. They already generally have visitor processes set up for customers and prospective customers.

The servers themselves are in cages, of course, and presumably the tour wouldn't actually go into those. Plus, yeah, what the other comment said.

Re: A Farmer Donated Land to Turn into a Park. The City Is Building a Data Center

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Post by potatototoo99 »

protocolture wrote: post #380
mystraline wrote: post #369

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No. Farmer SELLS land (for $10) with a deed restriction that it is to be used for a public park. Hand wavey timey wimey... Deed restriction 'magically' goes away. Gets sold for $10M.

So a city should tie its hands permanently because of a gift? Donations can now override city planning? Tired of paying property tax? Gift your house to the city with a deed that says they have to rent it back to you forever for $1 a year? Lets be clear, this wouldnt even be news if it wasnt for "Datacentre"

The city could have refused to buy the land for $10 if they didn't agree to the terms. Or claim eminent domain and pay a fair price maybe.

Re: A Farmer Donated Land to Turn into a Park. The City Is Building a Data Center

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Post by bumby »

dghlsakjg wrote: post #394
bumby wrote: post #379

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Well gee, to start France has higher healthcare quality/access, higher life expectancy, much lower treatable mortality, better work-life balance (less hours worked, more guaranteed leave), lower wealth inequality, higher voter turnout (indicative of less apathy or less efforts to disenfranchise), among others. One of the problems with just using economic metrics is it seems to confuse the fact that the economy is sup…

Many Americans have a strong bias for measuring everything in money. If you've lived there, it can be shocking how pervasive the thinking is in EVERY decision.

To quote de Tocqueville:

“I know of no country, indeed, where the love of money has taken a stronger hold on the affections of men…”

Re: A Farmer Donated Land to Turn into a Park. The City Is Building a Data Center

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Post by _carbyau_ »

fylo wrote: post #314
zug_zug wrote: post #279

It's exhausting that the "solution" to problems like this is getting tens or hundreds of thousands of citizens stressed until enough public attention gives some small chance of redress. I'm not calling for violence, but if we can't get these things fixed in court there has to be a more effect and more forceful avenue for protest than venting on internet forums.

You're edging on terrorism

So why do people keep pointing at an Amendment when it comes to gun control?

Re: A Farmer Donated Land to Turn into a Park. The City Is Building a Data Center

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Post by bumby »

protocolture wrote: post #392
bumby wrote: post #388

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If they don’t want to use it for the agreed upon purpose, they could either offer to pay the true value so they can use it for something else or give it back to the farmer/heirs. The real problem seems to be one city gave the land to a parks nonprofit who then sold it to another city, but the original park intent did not follow those sales.

And if they need it for something else they could just compulsorily acquire it from themselves for 10 more dollars?

I’m not sure I follow. Are you implying $10 is the material value of the property?

Re: A Farmer Donated Land to Turn into a Park. The City Is Building a Data Center

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Post by ipdashc »

waffleiron wrote: post #301
ipdashc wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know, you joke (I think?) but data center companies could genuinely at least open up for tours to try to appeal to the public, if public approval is apparently such a concern. It's funny that they haven't done it at all yet. Think nuclear power plants in the 60s or 70s, many of them were open for tours or school field trips or such to try to make them more appealing to the populace around them. I haven't heard of…

In the Netherlands I visited a nuclear reactor in middle/highschool. Literally something that left such an impression that I still talk about two decades later. Letting kids into places where science and technology happens has such an impact. We should really enable that as much as we can. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactor_Institute_Delft

I genuinely think it was a big loss to our society that we stopped regularly doing this. I had a few such field trips in grade school, but nothing comparable to a factory or nuclear plant.

It's a combination of post-9/11 security paranoia, companies not wanting to do anything that doesn't directly make them money, and the loss of manufacturing and heavy industry in the West, all together. It's sad.

Re: A Farmer Donated Land to Turn into a Park. The City Is Building a Data Center

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Post by frogperson »

josephg wrote: post #303
zug_zug wrote: post #279

It's exhausting that the "solution" to problems like this is getting tens or hundreds of thousands of citizens stressed until enough public attention gives some small chance of redress. I'm not calling for violence, but if we can't get these things fixed in court there has to be a more effect and more forceful avenue for protest than venting on internet forums.

I saw a clip the other day of an American comedian doing crowd work in Paris. He asked the audience what America should do, and the French said - something like - they should punch the police more and light things on fire. To me that sounds crazy! But, I can see how it works for the French. They protest all the time, and the government is very responsive to the needs of the people. Much more so than the American gove…

That's alot less risky in France where the police have more than an 8th grade education, no guns, and aren't jacked up on right-wing hate propaganda 24/7. You punch a cop in the US and there's more than a 50% chance, that a given cop has been dreaming of "protecting himself" by any means necessary. In other words, you are going to get shot in the chest.

Re: A Farmer Donated Land to Turn into a Park. The City Is Building a Data Center

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Post by killbot5000 »

frogperson wrote: post #407
josephg wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I saw a clip the other day of an American comedian doing crowd work in Paris. He asked the audience what America should do, and the French said - something like - they should punch the police more and light things on fire. To me that sounds crazy! But, I can see how it works for the French. They protest all the time, and the government is very responsive to the needs of the people. Much more so than the American gove…

That's alot less risky in France where the police have more than an 8th grade education, no guns, and aren't jacked up on right-wing hate propaganda 24/7. You punch a cop in the US and there's more than a 50% chance, that a given cop has been dreaming of "protecting himself" by any means necessary. In other words, you are going to get shot in the chest.

Or a shot in the back.

Re: A Farmer Donated Land to Turn into a Park. The City Is Building a Data Center

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Post by rapsacnz »

bumby wrote: post #379
BurningFrog wrote: post #370

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By what measure does it work for the French? They have 8% unemployment, 30% less GDP per capita than the US, and many other problems. Government by caving in to riots is not in general being responsive to the needs of the people.

Well gee, to start France has higher healthcare quality/access, higher life expectancy, much lower treatable mortality, better work-life balance (less hours worked, more guaranteed leave), lower wealth inequality, higher voter turnout (indicative of less apathy or less efforts to disenfranchise), among others. One of the problems with just using economic metrics is it seems to confuse the fact that the economy is sup…

Also France scores hugely better on the international cheese index

Re: A Farmer Donated Land to Turn into a Park. The City Is Building a Data Center

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Post by [deleted] »

mystraline wrote: post #375
cyanydeez wrote: post #348

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yeah, it's interesting how we're not allowed to call for violence, eh.

We absolutely CAN call for violence. And especially political violence. Theres even a TV show with it as a name. Its calling for "Law and Order". Its violence against the 'correct group'. You absolutely can call for violence (now) against protestors, ANTIFA, anti-surveillance (DEFLOCK), unionists, homeless, drug users, and other deemed by federal, state, and local officials as undesirable. You cant directly call for…

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