Extreme competition
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Safety
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Meta steals a tactic from Tesla and builds data centers in tents
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Re: Meta steals a tactic from Tesla and builds data centers in tents
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
odd choice, mind explaining it a bit more? why should a company listen to a gallup poll of ~1,500 people over their own internal metrics? do you think all types of companies should heed the advice of gallup polls over their own metrics, experience, and research?
I think good governance would listen to polls over metrics. A good example of how this works is cocaine. Capitalism and competition isn't always good governance. It works brilliantly in many places, such as restaurants or commodity goods. It fails completely for medicine or banking. It's in between for tech or education, but it's clearly failing for AI.
>I think good governance would listen to polls over metrics.
hypothetically, you own a widget company. you sell a lot of widgets. every month, you are selling even more widgets. the widgets are flying off the shelves. you keep ramping up production, and the consumers keep on buying.
gallup releases a poll that says "people hate widgets".
would you stop/slow down your widget production?
Re: Meta steals a tactic from Tesla and builds data centers in tents
#33The fact that these behemoths are being powered by gas generators is horrifying
Your language is ambiguous — your horror is in reference to natural gas turbine generators (used at these installations) and not gasoline generators (like in a home context)?
Why the horror? I'd prefer the gas remain in the ground, but given the gassy production of US shale oil, I guess I'd rather it be used for this than just flared. I am frustrated that pollutant emissions aren't being policed, and also that the sudden turbine demand plus supply chain issues mean using aeroderivative turbines that are quite a bit less efficient than more complex combined cycle turbines.
https://www.energy.gov/hgeo/how-gas-turbine-power-plants-wor...
Re: Meta steals a tactic from Tesla and builds data centers in tents
#34The whole thing is like a video game: your construction and power are your limiting factors. We need to CONSTRUCT ADDITIONAL PYLONS and so on. It's interesting that this is such a limiter on the ground that SpaceX is pursuing AI satellites in space. Truly an incredible time to be alive.
Re: Meta steals a tactic from Tesla and builds data centers in tents
#35Microsoft had trialed datacenters in tents nearly 20 years ago. I remember hearing about their trials at some talks back in the day. Crazy to look back on the dates here, felt like it wasn't that long ago.
https://www.datacenterknowledge.com/hyperscalers/new-from-mi...
Re: Meta steals a tactic from Tesla and builds data centers in tents
#36This is madness. The polling is in and the public hates, positively hates AI. So of course the response is to do AI even more. https://newrepublic.com/article/209163/ai-industry-discoveri...
The public hates ai but also uses ai in mass quantities. Capitalism abides by your dollars not your voice. So people can decry ai all they want but if they keep using it, it won't go away. Even then it's probable that AI is a big enough productivity boost for certain industries that even if no consumers used AI, businesses would still prop AI up enough for it to live on.
Capitalism abides by dollars only so long as force is not in play. When the Molotov cocktails start flying, dollars lose their grip.
Simone Weil had good theoretical and practical observations on force vs economy 100 years ago.
Re: Meta steals a tactic from Tesla and builds data centers in tents
#37The fact that these behemoths are being powered by gas generators is horrifying
Your language is ambiguous — your horror is in reference to natural gas turbine generators (used at these installations) and not gasoline generators (like in a home context)? Why the horror? I'd prefer the gas remain in the ground, but given the gassy production of US shale oil, I guess I'd rather it be used for this than just flared. I am frustrated that pollutant emissions aren't being policed, and also that the su…
> I guess I'd rather it be used for this than just flared
I doubt this is really reducing the rates of flaring and leaky wells. Its just additional demand.
The biggest problem I've seen is they tend to build these somewhat close to residential areas with generation on-site. Often these power generation centers aren't right next to residential areas due to both air and noise pollution. But governments are often seeming to turn a blind eye.
Re: Meta steals a tactic from Tesla and builds data centers in tents
#38The fact that these behemoths are being powered by gas generators is horrifying
Your language is ambiguous — your horror is in reference to natural gas turbine generators (used at these installations) and not gasoline generators (like in a home context)? Why the horror? I'd prefer the gas remain in the ground, but given the gassy production of US shale oil, I guess I'd rather it be used for this than just flared. I am frustrated that pollutant emissions aren't being policed, and also that the su…
We have plenty of fields producing just natural gas in the US. It is not merely a byproduct of oil production.
Only about 35 percent is “associated gas” production from oil production.
Re: Meta steals a tactic from Tesla and builds data centers in tents
#39When I read the headline I imagined a huge tent with steel beam structure and professional grade covers with HVAC and concrete footprint. Seems everyone else imagined a camping tent. Different backgrounds I guess.
Yeah, my immediate picture was a blue hobo tent with some extenders sticking out of it.
Re: Meta steals a tactic from Tesla and builds data centers in tents
#40The fact that these behemoths are being powered by gas generators is horrifying
It's not supposed to be permanent, but it also allows them to not waste time waiting on physical locations to be built. Given how highly competitive this all is, I'm not surprised at all.