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Re: CEOs who think AI replaces their employees are just bad CEOs

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Post by RugnirViking »

cm11 wrote: post #212
jandrewrogers wrote: post #204

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I’ve worked with CEOs in multiple large companies. I wouldn’t wish that job on my worst enemy. Nonetheless, someone needs to do that job and the intersection of difficulty and masochism is beyond what most people can do or endure. Many people try and fail. Their job, at the end of the day, is to eat an endless stream of shit sandwiches with a smile and a plan. Much of the “competency” of a CEO in practice is to be ab…

This feels too soft. Each of these things has truth in it, but isn't some of this self-created? Where are these shit sandwiches coming from? A lot of these problems are the result of overpromising, breaking rules and skirting regulations, underestimating the difficulty of things they have no expertise with, asking people to solve problems with no resources, hiring more chefs rather than more cooks and dishwashers, of…

in a team of 10, you can know everyone's current work, their thoughts on it, etc. in a team of 100, you can maybe know everyone's name, if you're lucky. you probably have an idea of what their group is working on. in a team of 1000, you will not know most of the people who come to you with problems. A room of pale faces, all very emotional about one thing or another. they've had a long hard battle just to speak to you, and care very much about what you do, but you've literally never met them. Of course, you have subordinates, and in turn they have theirs. But how can you accurately diagnose problems in that chain? they are only telling you what you want to hear, problems may be their fault, they may but their subordinates fault, it may be a business reality, you barely have any way to know. All you know is you have another meeting at 3, and then at 4, and then at 5, and all of them will be full of people you don't know who potentially emotionally care very much about every word you say, for good and for bad.

I don't hold much empathy for higher-ups, for other reasons. But its clear to me man was not meant for this. Large orgs are almost destined to be dysfunctional, as they move beyond "you have to study hard and make a real effort to remember everyone" to "no matter how much you try it is literally impossible to remember everyone, more people are being hired and fired each day than you can keep up with"

Re: CEOs who think AI replaces their employees are just bad CEOs

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Post by jcgl »

c-linkage wrote: post #279
seb1204 wrote: post #275

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Honest question, I wonder why that is? Surely we have smart humans that did not read and learn "all the books". Can AI not be trained by re-reading material multiple times to reinforce?

Start up a seti at home style of open source LLM training! Assuming there is an ability to merge the sub models trained on each user's home PC into a larger model...

That's not something that is known how to do in a reliable fashion, right? It sounds quite like the problem where transformers are unable to be updated/taught over time.

Re: CEOs who think AI replaces their employees are just bad CEOs

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Post by aiisjustanif »

robeym wrote: post #280

AI impacts so much. So many white collar chores just get obliterated with AI. Legal & regulatory docs, production planning, sales materials, etc. Just yesterday I used AI to generate 235 new system docs based on our codebase, and added automated .md -> html publishing so final drafts go straight to the website. This work that would've taken a contractor 1-2 weeks got done in a day, by me, someone who definitely isn't…

> Just yesterday I used AI to generate 235 new system docs based on our codebase

For who? Will it ever be read? I’m bias on good documentation and I think AI is better at publishing documents for machines, for now.

Re: CEOs who think AI replaces their employees are just bad CEOs

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Post by Forgeties79 »

altmanaltman wrote: post #239
abustamam wrote: post #232

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I work on a toy project that has exactly one user (me). On its face it's fairly simple. It's a portal to my media server because I didn't like how Plex worked with regards to searching and filtering. I can look for movies or series by director, studio, publisher, etc. I can rate things, I can find highly rated things. It's great, and instead of bugging plex support to add new features, I just tell Deepseek to do it.…

Genuine creativity is something LLMs struggle with and it kind of makes sense given their design. If you have a complete plan for a feature or even just an idea what the feature should do, that is enough for an LLM. But asking it to think and come up with a new feature idea by itself will always yield mostly extereme basic things you've already thought of. That creativity of "what" to build so it serves a purpose is…

This is exactly why I have no interest in LLM created music, stories, movies, etc.

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Post by ing33k »

elzbardico wrote: post #174
GreenSalem wrote: post #72

There are a LOT of bad CEOs. There are also a LOT of bad software developers. When they meet, the software developer is fired. The CEO exits after a while, after exercising their stock options...

bad CEO + bad software developer = new CTO.

lol, what does it mean ?

Re: CEOs who think AI replaces their employees are just bad CEOs

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Post by robeym »

aiisjustanif wrote: post #283
robeym wrote: post #280

AI impacts so much. So many white collar chores just get obliterated with AI. Legal & regulatory docs, production planning, sales materials, etc. Just yesterday I used AI to generate 235 new system docs based on our codebase, and added automated .md -> html publishing so final drafts go straight to the website. This work that would've taken a contractor 1-2 weeks got done in a day, by me, someone who definitely isn't…

> Just yesterday I used AI to generate 235 new system docs based on our codebase For who? Will it ever be read? I’m bias on good documentation and I think AI is better at publishing documents for machines, for now.

For PAX ERP. It'll be read by both humans and llms. "Paxy AI" will be the primary reader, which is the AI support tool in the system. When users ask it a question about how to do something, it'll answer based on the technical docs.

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Post by jimbokun »

shimman wrote: post #200
jimbokun wrote: post #121

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“We are sure it will work because it’s never been tried!” I believe the Germans have had success with including labor representatives on corporate boards. Maybe we can start there.

Why does this argument never apply to neoliberalism? That was never put to a vote but it still thrusted upon a country where the results are what you would expect: the worse income inequality ever seen in the history of the nation, life expectancy has increased, deaths of despair have reached record highs, more children go to bed hungry, healthcare is being ripped from civilians, and corporations are legally allowed…

Based on what you say, it should be easy to find data showing the superior performance of coops for employees in terms of wages, benefits, profit sharing, etc, right?

Health care is a different topic and yes, socialized healthcare systems seem to perform better across the board.

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Post by Qhemlomo »

OakNinja wrote: post #278
Qhemlomo wrote: post #273

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No thats just not true. Plenty of people say that by 2030 we have AGI, others estimate 10-20 years. I personally say 5-15 years. AI 2027 estimates for 2027: "OpenBrain automatescoding"

Genuine question - What part of ”that” is just not true?

" AGI has been 6 months away for years now."

No one said 2 years ago, that AGI is coming in 2026.

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Post by sam_lowry_ »

hintymad wrote: post #227
vanuatu wrote: post #225

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even boris says they need people with judgment to manage the agents i dont write code by hand anymore but shipping something people want is as hard (or maybe harder?) as its ever been

Boris also says he stops using /plan, he writes loop to write prompt, and he simply asks AI to come up with solutions. He also said many times that his agents would comb their emails, slack channels, and Github issues to come up with things to do. When we combine what he has said, it's hard not to have the impression that he was implying full autonomy of their agents. The only that the engineers need to do is to buil…

Boris who?
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