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AWS Bedrock to require sharing data with Anthropic for Mythos and future models

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Re: AWS Bedrock to require sharing data with Anthropic for Mythos and future models

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Post by walthamstow »

Sayrus wrote: post #54
lima wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fable on GCP requires accepting a 60-day retention policy: https://cloud.google.com/terms/advanced-ai-safety-addendum I don't think it mentions sharing the data with third parties such as Anthropic?

> Through Google Cloud's Agent Platform: Retention will need to be enabled for your new covered model, and retained data stays in your GCP environment. When models become available, onboarding details will be shared. From https://support.claude.com/en/articles/15425996-data-retenti...

At least it stays in your GCP environment, AWS disclosure says that it will leave your data privacy and security boundary.

Re: AWS Bedrock to require sharing data with Anthropic for Mythos and future models

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Post by scottmcmac »

OtherShrezzing wrote: post #27

This is odd behaviour, and provides some evidence that Anthropic isn't being managed by serious people. With this policy across AWS/GH/Zed/etc, they're taking their massive lead in enterprise/govt sales and handing it to any competitor who can serve a model anywhere near these capabilities with a modestly nice UI.

I mean, they were already capacity constrained and just introduced a larger model that takes more capacity to run... They were gonna have to hand some business to competitor one way or another.

Re: AWS Bedrock to require sharing data with Anthropic for Mythos and future models

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Post by sheeshkebab »

wewewedxfgdf wrote: post #24

Note that if you use AWS Bedrock then you're choosing to pay 10X to 20X because you trust AWS more than Anthropic. It is literally 10X to 20-X cheaper to directly buy Anthropic subscriptions for your devs.

Pro/max subs are not as flexible as bedrock in api use and don’t seem to run the same models either - often times they are notably dumber (quantized I guess) than bedrock equivalent.

Re: AWS Bedrock to require sharing data with Anthropic for Mythos and future models

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Post by kgwgk »

Qhemlomo wrote: post #57
kgwgk wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the point then of a submission about how you will be required to share data with Anthropic? I’d say that the point is precisely that it’s an issue when you don’t trust them as much as Amazon.

Not sure if i follow you tbh. I only told a commentor why a business would pay more to Amazon than going directly to Anthropic. The announcement itself is def problematic and either leads to big companies accepting this and then going directly to anthropic or some talks in the background we don't know yet what it will entail.

If you were just repeating the commenter’s point about « choosing to pay 10X to 20X because you trust AWS more than Anthropic » what was not the point?

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Post by pridkett »

wewewedxfgdf wrote: post #24

Note that if you use AWS Bedrock then you're choosing to pay 10X to 20X because you trust AWS more than Anthropic. It is literally 10X to 20-X cheaper to directly buy Anthropic subscriptions for your devs.

There’s a few things mixed up in this comment. But the 10-20x cheaper, I’m assuming comes from the difference between the number of tokens you can use on a $200 Claude Max subscription and the cost of those via the API. That’s neither here nor there for this topic around data retention as Fable has that on all providers.

And for the cost, if you’re an enterprise with more than 150 people, you’re on the token plan.

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Post by afavour »

pitched wrote: post #34
zmmmmm wrote: post #21

OpenAI ... your move. The enterprise market just cracked wide open. Do you want it?

It looks like they’ve been preparing: https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/aws/bedrock-openai-models

> For OpenAI GPT-5.4 and GPT-5.5, classifier-flagged traffic will be retained for up to 30 days for automated offline abuse detection.

https://docs.aws.amazon.com/bedrock/latest/userguide/abuse-d...

Re: AWS Bedrock to require sharing data with Anthropic for Mythos and future models

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Post by realusername »

chatmasta wrote: post #51
UqWBcuFx6NV4r wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let’s be real, chances are that the people with a lot of money on the line have given it more thought than the passing thought that you gave this comment.

They give it some thought, but Anthropic and AWS have the whole menu of compliance and security checkboxes needed to reassure CISO it doesn’t need to be “the office of no” and can allow the AI onboarding. The pressure to adopt and adapt to AI is so high right now that there’s nothing a CISO or CFO can say to stop its adoption. And the more they say “no” or “wait,” the more at-risk they put their job.

I know the only reason we are using Claude right now in my large org was because of this policy and another model would have been picked otherwise
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