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If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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Post by port11 »

gck1 wrote: post #284
torben-friis wrote: post #37

They have a silent nerfing system for their models and say so openly. The obvious question is how much it is being used already. Competitor companies being nerfed? Non Americans getting worse code? Punishing and rewarding users to maximize engagement, like online games do affecting victories through matchmaking?

No big pockets and ask it to review your own codebase for security issues? You hacker. Ban. Anthropic simply can't be allowed to succeed. This is the most E Corp shit I've seen since I've been alive.

It’s not pretty, but if Anthropic is the E Corp of this timeline, we’re not being creative enough. There’s better targets out there for this comparison.

Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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Post by azalemeth »

jsw97 wrote: post #184

Given the high rate of false positives people are reporting for the non-silent cybersecurity, biological, etc., safeguards, there is a strong likelihood that you will encounter silently nerfed behavior even if you are _not_ violating their TOS. Ultimately this will be evident in the way customers / external benchmarkers experience Fable. Hopefully competition will drive future models toward a lower false positive rat…

I'm a medical physicist. I use the word nuclear a lot. Opus is fine (well, 99% of the time - I've certainly hit the CBRN filters a few times and even been invited to email anthropic about the false positives).

Fable has literally refused to work on any of my problems (even those about fluid dynamics!) and just tells me that I'm violating anthropic's AUP.

Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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Post by gck1 »

port11 wrote: post #381
gck1 wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No big pockets and ask it to review your own codebase for security issues? You hacker. Ban. Anthropic simply can't be allowed to succeed. This is the most E Corp shit I've seen since I've been alive.

It’s not pretty, but if Anthropic is the E Corp of this timeline, we’re not being creative enough. There’s better targets out there for this comparison.

They're just getting started, and every statement/decision they make becomes more concerning than the previous one.

Isn't it concerning that a single company unilaterally decided for the world that they're the ultimate gatekeepers and they decide who gets access to the frontier artifical intelligence and in which capacity?

Who elected Amodei to decide which projects get to have the access to a dual-use cyber model and which get a model which sabotages? How is this not straight from E Corp's rulebook?

Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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Post by ricardobayes »

Ifkaluva wrote: post #13

I guess an uncharitable way to read this might be “the ML engineers/scientists want to automate all of the jobs except their own.”

Getting major deja vu from like 10 years back when people were arguing 3D printers would 3D print other 3D printers.

Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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Post by thepasch »

vhantz wrote: post #331

> If Claude gives me poor or incorrect advice while I’m working on an AI component, I have no way of knowing whether the model was confused, whether my problem is unsolvable, or if some invisible policy restriction quietly kicked in. Yeah I think there are ways to know, ways involving less dependence on a LLM.

> Yeah I think there are ways to know, ways involving less dependence on a LLM.

This kills the entire value prop of using LLMs as research accelerators, though.

Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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Post by captainbland »

root_axis wrote: post #317
HoldOnAMinute wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

10 engineers can make a billion dollar company. One Claude can replace 10 engineers. This gets very close to "infinitely valuable", it starts to look like a vertical line to me

> 10 engineers can make a billion dollar company Not really. It's possible they could, but in practice they cannot. Creating a billion dollar company requires a good idea, good timing, and a lot of luck, the engineers are the least important part.

More than that it takes things like the right social connections, strong marketing, insight into customer demand, infrastructure spend, etc. You can't normally just convert engineering effort into profit in the way implied.

Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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Post by zombot »

skeledrew wrote: post #307
torben-friis wrote: post #37

They have a silent nerfing system for their models and say so openly. The obvious question is how much it is being used already. Competitor companies being nerfed? Non Americans getting worse code? Punishing and rewarding users to maximize engagement, like online games do affecting victories through matchmaking?

> Non Americans getting worse code? This is a scary thought: tailoring quality based on user profile.

If it doesn't happen already, politicians will mandate it. "We can't allow our enemies (foreign and domestic) to use our tools against us."

Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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Post by pprotas »

cherryteastain wrote: post #384

Do they still charge you $50/MTok? If so, it sounds like a scam. If not, distillers will know which model they are getting by just looking at their API usage.

That's the fun part, they can charge the same API costs with a downgraded model
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