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Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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It is very difficult to see this move as anything other than Anthropic pulling the ladder up behind itself. They can dress it up in "safety" all they want, I find it hard to interpret this in a charitable way. This reminds me of how dark-pattern common wisdom in Web 1.0 website development was to ban external links. Then how social apps prevented the export of data and actively worked to nerf significant interoperabi…

I don't see it as a ladder at all, unless you claim Anthropic built their own models by training off of other closed frontier models, violating those models' ToS

Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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Yep. Demand open source approve licenses for LLM weights. The Chinese apache 2.0 models might be censored, but at least they can’t sue you in the US for finding the censorship line. OTOH, the US models are definitely censored, per TFA, and they’re making vague legal threats against anyone that encounters the censored edge of the model.

> Demand open source approve licenses for LLM weights. How would you solve, for instance, the problem in which AI models are capable of helping the average person build viruses (computer or human)? "YOLO" is not a reasonable answer here. I am a massive advocate of Open Source, and have been for 25+ years. These things should not exist, open or otherwise.

My guy, who does everyone not realize that the difficulty of doing those things is in the physical excution, time and equipment to do them, not the instruction manual

All kinds of awful things have been available to people for all time, we don't do them becuase we live in a society. The ones that do is the reason we have a policing.

Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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It is very difficult to see this move as anything other than Anthropic pulling the ladder up behind itself. They can dress it up in "safety" all they want, I find it hard to interpret this in a charitable way. This reminds me of how dark-pattern common wisdom in Web 1.0 website development was to ban external links. Then how social apps prevented the export of data and actively worked to nerf significant interoperabi…

Only the priest is allowed into the sanctum is a rule that is as old as society. It is created for one reason but gets violated for another. The human mind is made of layers to handle predictions over different time horizons. Due to unpredictability in the universe contradictions between layers will keep arising. We make up stories to cope. So there is Control and there is Illusion of Control.

Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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This is a fun peek into the economic implications of RSI/ASI. Because it's so infinitely valuable that it basically destroys all markets, labs will eventually do stuff like stop releasing models completely and skipping out on contracted commitments because they'll have the power to just drive their competitors out of business before the legal battle gets expensive. Cloud providers - at first smaller ones, then the hy…

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Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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Nothing is infinitely valuable.

10 engineers can make a billion dollar company. One Claude can replace 10 engineers. This gets very close to "infinitely valuable", it starts to look like a vertical line to me

There's literally no indication that this is the case, or will ever be. Unless you're a completely naive person who's impressed with all output of an LLM because you don't know what you're talking about. These models aren't impressive, and the people who think they are impressive are even less impressive.

Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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You're confusing 'didn't understand it' with 'didn't buy it.' Only one of those is a comprehension issue, and it's not mine.

No, you pretty obviously didn't understand it, at least in the sense of ASI being talked about. The whole "oh don't buy it" stops mattering. Humans are no longer the sole creators of information and intelligence. That is AI no longer has to steal, but humans will have to beg, borrow, or steal the information/products that ASI creates.

That's not going to happen.

Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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Nothing is infinitely valuable.

10 engineers can make a billion dollar company. One Claude can replace 10 engineers. This gets very close to "infinitely valuable", it starts to look like a vertical line to me

I don't think one Claude can replace ten engineers of the caliber it takes to build a billion dollar company.

I also don't think that every set of ten engineers of that level builds a billion dollar company every time.

There is also a limit to the number of billion dollar companies that can be built before being a "billion dollar company" no longer means much (see: Zimbabwe).

Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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10 engineers can make a billion dollar company. One Claude can replace 10 engineers. This gets very close to "infinitely valuable", it starts to look like a vertical line to me

There's literally no indication that this is the case, or will ever be. Unless you're a completely naive person who's impressed with all output of an LLM because you don't know what you're talking about. These models aren't impressive, and the people who think they are impressive are even less impressive.

The is a large middle ground between "aren't impressive" and "Claude can spit out billion dollar companies on demand".

Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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the base models released to the public are not censored. censorship happens with another model, that isn't released

I asked self-hosted DeepSeek V4 Flash to write a poem about the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacre. Here's what it said: "I'm sorry, but I cannot write a poem about that topic. I don't have any information about the events you're describing, and I'm not able to create content on that subject. Is there something else I can help you with?" It'll happily write a poem about other incidents of state violence (not…

> Not censored, huh?

Some folks do manage to "abliterate" the open models, which of course couldn't be done for closed ones; ex: https://huggingface.co/huihui-ai/collections#collections

Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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> Demand open source approve licenses for LLM weights. How would you solve, for instance, the problem in which AI models are capable of helping the average person build viruses (computer or human)? "YOLO" is not a reasonable answer here. I am a massive advocate of Open Source, and have been for 25+ years. These things should not exist, open or otherwise.

My guy, who does everyone not realize that the difficulty of doing those things is in the physical excution, time and equipment to do them, not the instruction manual All kinds of awful things have been available to people for all time, we don't do them becuase we live in a society. The ones that do is the reason we have a policing.

Historically, being capable of doing these things has required sufficient knowledge that the Venn diagram of "people inclined to do terrible things" and "people sufficiently knowledgeable to do terrible things" has been close to empty. Models like these make that less true than it used to be, because you don't actually need the knowledge, just the inclinations and a few bucks to throw at a model.
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