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If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

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Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

#171

It is absolutely fine to distill the IP of everyone else, but you'd be violating the TOS to distill ours :)

It's utterly bonkers. Hopefully the model weights get leaked. Then we can claim it's public domain or, at the very least, distill it and then release it for free.

That'd probably be the best outcome for all of humanity.

Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

#172

This is a fun peek into the economic implications of RSI/ASI. Because it's so infinitely valuable that it basically destroys all markets, labs will eventually do stuff like stop releasing models completely and skipping out on contracted commitments because they'll have the power to just drive their competitors out of business before the legal battle gets expensive. Cloud providers - at first smaller ones, then the hy…

Nothing is infinitely valuable.

10 engineers can make a billion dollar company. One Claude can replace 10 engineers.

This gets very close to "infinitely valuable", it starts to look like a vertical line to me

Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

#173

It is very difficult to see this move as anything other than Anthropic pulling the ladder up behind itself. They can dress it up in "safety" all they want, I find it hard to interpret this in a charitable way. This reminds me of how dark-pattern common wisdom in Web 1.0 website development was to ban external links. Then how social apps prevented the export of data and actively worked to nerf significant interoperabi…

There is a rather specific irony in pulling up the ladder when your roof is on fire...

Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

#174

This is a fun peek into the economic implications of RSI/ASI. Because it's so infinitely valuable that it basically destroys all markets, labs will eventually do stuff like stop releasing models completely and skipping out on contracted commitments because they'll have the power to just drive their competitors out of business before the legal battle gets expensive. Cloud providers - at first smaller ones, then the hy…

I don't think this scenario makes sense. It's one of a class of scenarios I've seen several of, that simultaneously assume: A) ASI is developed and massively overshadows the rest of the world economy B) the world still has rule of law, contracts, business, well-developed finance, etc You can get to a lot of weird conclusions if you assume both A and B, but I think the much more likely scenario is that if A happens, B…

The combination of A and B is cyberpunk at its core, it takes off in the form of corporate consolidation and then control of the government. Large corporations will still have the rule of law between each other because they'll have both money and hard power. The average individual that wants to rise up against said corps will quickly be identified by ubiquitous surveillance and imprisoned/slave labor camped.

Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

#175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Demand open source approve licenses for LLM weights. How would you solve, for instance, the problem in which AI models are capable of helping the average person build viruses (computer or human)? "YOLO" is not a reasonable answer here. I am a massive advocate of Open Source, and have been for 25+ years. These things should not exist, open or otherwise.

Building a virus, on your own network, probably isn't a crime. We already have all kinds of laws to catch and punish people when they cause harm.

Although invisible, society has benefited immensely from the fact that most recklessly unhinged criminals are also dumb.

Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

#177

It is very difficult to see this move as anything other than Anthropic pulling the ladder up behind itself. They can dress it up in "safety" all they want, I find it hard to interpret this in a charitable way. This reminds me of how dark-pattern common wisdom in Web 1.0 website development was to ban external links. Then how social apps prevented the export of data and actively worked to nerf significant interoperabi…

It turns out the most dangerous thing is competition.

Margin compression is terrifying

Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

#178
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Wow, this is like saying: > If you buy a car from us, you agree not use it driving to and from work that involves automotive R&D that might compete with our product. And if our (heavily spying) car detects you are violating this, it will slow down to 20mph and cannot be made to go any faster, until we are sure the violation has ceased. Or > If you buy a laptop from us, you agree not to use it to study or acquire any…

If your car slows down to 20mph you'd instantly know. If Claude silently switches to dumb mode, you might not even realize.

we notice when anthropic thinks it's kept claude smart while degrading for capacity. we will definitely notice when they purposefully make it dumb

Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

#179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think you understand the hypothetical being discussed

You're confusing 'didn't understand it' with 'didn't buy it.' Only one of those is a comprehension issue, and it's not mine.

No, you pretty obviously didn't understand it, at least in the sense of ASI being talked about. The whole "oh don't buy it" stops mattering. Humans are no longer the sole creators of information and intelligence. That is AI no longer has to steal, but humans will have to beg, borrow, or steal the information/products that ASI creates.

Re: If Claude Fable stops helping you, you'll never know

#180

It is very difficult to see this move as anything other than Anthropic pulling the ladder up behind itself. They can dress it up in "safety" all they want, I find it hard to interpret this in a charitable way. This reminds me of how dark-pattern common wisdom in Web 1.0 website development was to ban external links. Then how social apps prevented the export of data and actively worked to nerf significant interoperabi…

It turns out the most dangerous thing is competition.

thats because competition is only for loosers
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