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Where is the AI jobs crisis?

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Re: Where is the AI jobs crisis?

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I have a suspicion that Twitter laying off so much of the software staff was very influential for people with hiring abilities. The company didn't crash, and they (relatively slowly) began shipping new features again. I think that coincided with the pandemic-era overhiring, and we've been working against that combo ever since. Every now and then, I actively try to make an LLM replace my tasks, and fully do greenfield…

I hate to be "that guy" but you're crazy if you don't see AI being able to do greenfield projects you'd accept. I mean, in your defense, last year I think you would have been right, but right now? Codex rocks, as does Claude. I am literally making money shipping a greenfield project to a customer right now. I'm basically a cheap consultant that is incrementally adding features to make something exactly what they want…

>Now, to your point. Is the code all that clean? Nope... but who cares?

Typically, this is not the type of phrase that is said right before everything goes extremely well

Re: Where is the AI jobs crisis?

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It's crazy that so often I see articles, here on HN and elsewhere, where some pundit claims that there is no AI job crisis, AI isn't replacing any jobs, that layoffs are actually due to post-pandemic ZIRP overhiring, etc. But then people who work in actual tech companies come in and explicitly say they are not hiring any juniors anymore specifically because AI is good enough to do most of what juniors do, and that se…

Not just juniors, honestly the hiring slump that started in 2022 keeps going on with no signs of reversion.

Re: Where is the AI jobs crisis?

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I used to think comparisons of AI with the web where ridiculous, but increasingly it looks like they're not that dissimilar as far as how they change how we work. But as someone who graduated college during the bust there was a loooong gap between peak hype and things like online banking and e-commerce becoming standard.

Even if AI is an absolutely bubble, and SpaceX, Anthropic and OpenAI all cease to exist in a year... there's simply no way that AI has not fundamentally changed work. Even if I was forever pinned to the local models I'm running and the agent harnesses they use, I would never write code for work the same way.

But I lived through the rise of the web. I remember serving dynamic websites through cgi (which meant a new instance of an interpreter was spawned per user session). I vividly remember great JavaScript books saying things like "never use JavaScript for core functionality". I recall Java engineers saying Ruby on Rails was a toy and would never take off, that Python offered nothing over Perl and that "rich web applications" where never going to replace app native interfaces. I remember when the MVC pattern from the early Smalltalk days being dusted off and repurposed for web applications, completely changing how we designed software for the web.

And all of that is just software. It wasn't until the pandemic that ebooks replaced print books in share of academic library circulation (reversing a decades long trend of reduced circulation).

In my daily use of agents for coding and other forms of problem solving, while it is a wild accelerant, it's also clear we have not even started scratching the surface of how to think about building things with these tools.

I suspect we'll adapt to AI faster, but having lived through one major tech revolution, transforming work still takes some time. I'm not surprised we don't see an immediate jobs crisis.

Not to mention the completely separate topic that huge classes of employees were not and are not all that productive, so boosts in productivity don't imply lost jobs. That would require a boost in productivity combined with pressure to create concrete value with less, looking at the SpaceX IPO we're still a ways away from working about how efficiently we create concrete value.

Re: Where is the AI jobs crisis?

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It’s so frustrating that someone with a title of “Chief Economist” puts things like this out there. Job numbers get revised every month, in a negative direction. New grad unemployment is high and trending higher. New jobs exclusively are held up by addition in healthcare industry, almost every other sector is seeing some negative movement. A lot of job openings, a good chunk of them, are just fake jobs where the comp…

There are upward and downward revisions this year at least, it seems like a mixed bag with many policies juicing the economy. [1] Job opportunities differ by state and de-growth hostility to business policies and crony investments. Where I am, layoffs and offshoring continues. I hear new grads are increasingly opting for the skilled trades, which is interesting given they aren't getting use out of their degrees. [1]…

> There are upward and downward revisions this year at least, it seems like a mixed bag with many policies juicing the economy

Since Jan 2025, the only two upward revisions have been in the last 3 months. So we’re both correct here. This year (3 months of data), has been a mixed bag. But on a longer time horizon (last 6, 9, 12 months) the revisions have mostly been negative.

Re: Where is the AI jobs crisis?

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Anecdotally, there's an AI job crisis for juniors right now

It seems to me that the hiring crisis started in 2022 and never ended.

I haven't been on the market for long luckily, but as an independent consultant I went from getting 2 to 3 contacts per week to none per months.

Re: Where is the AI jobs crisis?

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If your career was entirely post GFC you lived through the good times. The GFC and dot com crash were not good.

So after 2007 for people like me who arent used to the GFC acronym. Which in my case, I was 17 in 2007 and “shielded” from all of that.

For others like me: GFC = Global Financial Crisis

Re: Where is the AI jobs crisis?

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The jobs AI crisis is me being stressed and overworked as management demands more AI, showy (but shallow) "look I made a skill" presentations grab attention, and my PR review queue grows every day as people generate more code than ever. But to keep this out of a low-value vent, my experience has been that the _threat_ of it is there, but in my small corner of the world/industry, lots of layoffs that would have happen…

Have never worked in my life like last year, and there's no signs of slowing down.

At least I don't have to review PRs, we have built a team around the concept of trust and not needing to check each other's work.

There's simply too much work to start nit picking in PRs, everybody's very talented and a good engineer you can trust. They ask for feedback when they want it.

And no, we're not producing slop, if anything AI has helped improve the codebase a lot and the harnessing has definitely raised the bar at all levels.

But sure as hell, the job sucks now, and I hate it. And it's not just due to the amount of work.

Re: Where is the AI jobs crisis?

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I hate to be "that guy" but you're crazy if you don't see AI being able to do greenfield projects you'd accept. I mean, in your defense, last year I think you would have been right, but right now? Codex rocks, as does Claude. I am literally making money shipping a greenfield project to a customer right now. I'm basically a cheap consultant that is incrementally adding features to make something exactly what they want…

>Now, to your point. Is the code all that clean? Nope... but who cares? Typically, this is not the type of phrase that is said right before everything goes extremely well

I assume they are working on low stakes software. Does it really matter if you use an LLM to code a scheduling app for a hair salon or veterinary clinic?

Re: Where is the AI jobs crisis?

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> There seems to be a desire for a narrative that AI really just can't replace productive work, and that it's all a mirage. Yes, and juniors aren't known for their productive work in the beginning. That's not their purpose. Their purpose is to do the mundane work, because it is important for them to become less junior and more senior. That is robbed of them. Which in 5-10 years means the need for senior developers is…

The need for seniors isn’t going to “shoot through the roof” if they are using AI. If senior engineers are even 2x more productive with AI, then it’s like there are 2x as many senior engineers. Most likely, seniors will be 10x more productive in 5 years using AI. This outpaces the retirement rate. All the software engineers we need for the next 20-30 years are already in the current workforce. Only way juniors can ri…

> All the software engineers we need for the next 20-30 years are already in the current workforce.

There's no way of knowing what the industry will look like decades from now. Even assuming the prediction that seniors become 10x more productive, that would mean software becomes much cheaper to produce. Does that induce enough demand for additional software that keeps employment levels high? Could be, who knows.

Alternatively, maybe software hits a saturation point where there just isn't as much new ground to cover and employment levels crater. That could happen too.

Re: Where is the AI jobs crisis?

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post #196

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So after 2007 for people like me who arent used to the GFC acronym. Which in my case, I was 17 in 2007 and “shielded” from all of that.

For others like me: GFC = Global Financial Crisis

I went through the dotcom crisis and never heard of GFC until today. I've always seen it as the finsys crash.
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