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EU-banned pesticides found in rice, tea and spices

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Re: EU-banned pesticides found in rice, tea and spices

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Post by kakacik »

thesmtsolver2 wrote: post #106
NopIdoN wrote: post #94

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That's not stricter, it's just different names.

It is stricter. https://www.daymarksafety.com/news/some-fundamental-differen... EU labels are not required to list as much information about nutrients in a product as compared to US food labels. Plus, they often omit such items as saturated fat, fiber, and sugar.

Lol we, even you, talk about additives and then you bring up nutritional content of the food itself. Do you even understand the topic discussed? It certainly doesn't seem so, or you have an agenda to serve, for whatever reason. Or are llms today having most of computing power diverted into pretraining new version?

We do list all of that, but thats usually a separate table, or if not a separate bloc of text. Its always there. Posting random webs scraped by llms ain't providing facts and personal experience to discussion.

Re: EU-banned pesticides found in rice, tea and spices

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Post by liminvorous »

Tade0 wrote: post #223
CalRobert wrote: post #151

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Maybe I'm a Calvinist. I'm definitely happier in the Netherlands. My general experience was that Irish laws existed mostly for show and if you followed them you were a chump. Unless you wanted to smoke a joint now and then, of course. Ireland supposedly cares about nature too, but you can still buy truckloads of turf off the side of the road in Offaly. Good luck getting those rules enforced. When we still lived in Du…

> I think when you're threatening your neighbours and letting dangerous dogs loose on other people's land I know too little about this specific situation, but did the neighbour not stop despite being asked to? I haven't been to Ireland or the Netherlands (aside from driving through of course), but from what I've heard I would not like it in the latter. Nature appears to be scarce there, as for some reason the Dutch i…

The reason is roughly that there were devastating food shortages in the world wars, and avoiding that happening again has been an important force in Dutch politics since.

Re: EU-banned pesticides found in rice, tea and spices

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Post by Tade0 »

liminvorous wrote: post #232
Tade0 wrote: post #223

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> I think when you're threatening your neighbours and letting dangerous dogs loose on other people's land I know too little about this specific situation, but did the neighbour not stop despite being asked to? I haven't been to Ireland or the Netherlands (aside from driving through of course), but from what I've heard I would not like it in the latter. Nature appears to be scarce there, as for some reason the Dutch i…

The reason is roughly that there were devastating food shortages in the world wars, and avoiding that happening again has been an important force in Dutch politics since.

Oooh shit, now it all makes perfect sense. Thank you!

Re: EU-banned pesticides found in rice, tea and spices

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Post by throwaway2037 »

franciscop wrote: post #102
nozzlegear wrote: post #16

The report itself[†] blames the pesticide residue on a "boomerang effect" from EU countries: EU countries export these banned pesticides to third countries, those countries use the banned pesticides on the food they grow, and then the EU countries import that food. In effect, EU companies are still profiting off of the sale and use of banned pesticides on food that Europeans will eat. [†] https://www.foodwatch.org/fi…

I know someone close who grows oranges in Spain. He has to go through hell, had to rework multiple times the fields so that they pass the strict Spanish regulation for organic produce. They get evaluated not only on the final product being pesticide free, but also on the full process being compliant, with heavy fines for non compliance. This is fine-ish, except that the imported oranges get checked only seldomly (if…

    > but it's been times where there was literally no profit at all for 5+ years.
Why are they still farming? It sounds like an awful crop.

Re: EU-banned pesticides found in rice, tea and spices

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Post by bluGill »

kube-system wrote: post #104
bluGill wrote: post #97

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I used lead as an example only because everyone actually understands why it's harmful. There are a number of chemicals that are more harmful, common vinegar for example in the concentrations that are useful, but nobody understands it because nobody has actually read the safety information on such chemicals.

I would imagine any agricultural use of vinegar as an organic chemical pales in comparison to it’s culinary use.

Agricultural use is a lot more concentrated though, which is important. In the case of vinegar this is about safety.

Though I don't know how much vinegar is used in ag - my facebook feed is full of people who don't need roundup because some concoction of vinegar, salt, and dish soap works - they never point out that you need PPE to work with this stuff that isn't required for roundup.

Re: EU-banned pesticides found in rice, tea and spices

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Post by bluGill »

bluebarbet wrote: post #180
bluGill wrote: post #95

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That is still better than organic, which doesn't even ask what science can show about chemicals. The obvious example is organic doesn't have GMOs, even though GMOs are the only foods we even try and prove safe. Everything else, what we just assumed, but nobody has ever actually checked.

The argument we are having here is essentially a classic of philosophy: empiricism versus rationalism. You keep arguing for the former; I am arguing for the latter. It is true that molecule X may not present an observable danger to health; it is also true that it may be reasonable to believe it does present one (most obviously because we do not have thousands of generations of evolutionary adaptation to it, as is the…

Why are you allowing chemicals with proven toxicity then?

Re: EU-banned pesticides found in rice, tea and spices

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Post by cultofmetatron »

jamespo wrote: post #200
teleforce wrote: post #187

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Last year I was in a Samsung shop when one couple remarked to me that it was the second time they came to buy the same phone for the wife in a month. Then naturally I asked for the reason why, I thought they like it so much to buy a second one. Apparently the couple just recently come back from a trip in Ireland and lost the new Samsung phone there. Someone has stolen the wife's baggage from the bus when it's doing t…

what happens if you criticise the government in these safe countries?

what happens if you criticize the government with regard to certain topics in the UK on social media?

https://nypost.com/2025/08/19/world-news/uk-free-speech-stru...

Re: EU-banned pesticides found in rice, tea and spices

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Post by herbst »

retired wrote: post #144
franciscop wrote: post #102

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I know someone close who grows oranges in Spain. He has to go through hell, had to rework multiple times the fields so that they pass the strict Spanish regulation for organic produce. They get evaluated not only on the final product being pesticide free, but also on the full process being compliant, with heavy fines for non compliance. This is fine-ish, except that the imported oranges get checked only seldomly (if…

Meanwhile nobody bats an eye in Spain if you hire illegal African immigrants, pay them far below minimum wage and house them in shacks without electricity and running water. Places like Almería look like slave towns.

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