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Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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It's strange to me that Apple would choose to disadvantage themselves by selecting Google as their provider as opposed to, say, Anthropic or even OpenAI. Doesn't this mean they'll struggle more to differentiate themselves from the assistant on Android phones? Thinking more cynically, couldn't Google, if they wanted, feed Apple an inferior version of Gemini, ensuring they stay ahead? As the consumer, this just sucks b…

They probably started working with gooogle before claude started moving ahead or was on the radar

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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> wrap an external tool in a privacy architecture Wouldn't it be more accurate to call Apple's architecture data protection rather than privacy? As an European citizen in a post Snowden world I would be surprised if any of my data on Apple services was actually kept private from the US government, and Apple certainly wants to own a lot of data/metadata about you. Gotta have Siri listening for carplay and so on. I wou…

> I use a lot of AI professionally, but I haven't even turned on Bixby or whatever the Samsung AI is called. I know this was just a small aside, but man do I hate Bixby and other phone AIs. They are so frustratingly difficult to turn off, and turning them on accidentally is as simply as holding the wrong button for a few seconds, such as when your phone is in your pocket. Very frustrating design.

I just want to be able to turn things off without affecting completely other unrelated things. Like Siri and Carplay, makes no sense I need one activated to use the other, just a trick to get people to avoid disabling Siri.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Because it would be foolish to just trust them on their statements both given their history as well as given the fact that they're in it for the money and tend to follow the path which brings in more of it.

Quite the typical outsider's simplistic view. Privacy is one of their core brand values. If they don't follow through on those, their brand erodes. And what history?

You can look up the history of this company's claims versus reality on their promises re. privacy yourself, there's enough to be found between Siri listening when it shouldn't, user data being accessible to the company in contrast to promises of privacy, the company collecting user data which is used for targeted advertising, several examples of push notification data being handed over to law enforcement agencies in several countries, leaky 'airdrop' allowing user identification which wasn't fixed by the company even after a fix was published by outsiders and more.

The real question is why you seem to be so credulous when it comes to this company. Do you extend this trust to other similar companies or is it only reserved for this specific company? I ask this because you're not the first person who seems to consider this company to be almost above criticism even though they've shown to be just like other companies in all respects. When Jobs was still around this stance was supposedly caused by his 'reality distortion field' but he has been gone for a long time and given that Cook has the charisma of an accountant this can no longer be the reason. What makes them so special to some even though their claims have been punctured many times over?

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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I would love to learn more about what's actually powering Apple Intelligence now. Are they using flagship Gemini models behind their own prompts? Fine-tuning? Pre-training their own models based on Gemini? Is there a meaningful distinction between the Gemini-powered models and Apple Foundation Models? Does that distinction vary for on-device vs hosted models? Are some models running on Apple's Private Cloud Compute a…

> Are they using flagship Gemini models behind their own prompts? Fine-tuning? Pre-training their own models based on Gemini?

Easiest way to tell, how much dancing around did we listen to and how many diagrams did we have to look at? If they had their own tech we wouldn't be looking at diagrams we'd just be getting told Siri AI, it's private, it's powerful, here's what it can do. Instead we had 10 minutes talking around the tech and this diagram [1] which is a signal that it's a bunch of other peoples stuff cobbled and wrapped together.

[1]:https://www.apple.com/newsroom/images/2026/06/apple-introduc...

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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If I can't even trust the results given by ChatGPT and Claude at their highest level of reasoning in my daily life and work, would I be willing to use Siri AI to handle the important scenarios depicted in the livestream?

I haven't seen the livestream, but I just heard that they intend to have their AI automatically change your passwords on websites if it considers them insecure, which sounds to me like the worst idea for AI so far, and that bar is high.

> if it considers them insecure

But that's all of them though?

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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There's no guarantee against data exfiltration, because the data leaks happens through tool calls, which are not made from the PCC, but from your own device. E.g. "the user asks if their Bitcoin private key is unique, let's make a web search". Combined with prompt injection attacks, it's quite easy for an attacker to craft a prompt which sends your private data through any supported tool call (web search, database se…

That doesn’t make sense in this context – the point of PCC is so you know somebody isn’t snooping on your information when you send it to the servers. The person I was responding to seemed to think that Apple would be looking at that information.

You're right, but also "PCC is very secure" might give a false sense of security, considering that there might be other associated vulnerabilities in these kinds of systems.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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They should have built a separate phone around Apple Intelligence. That is a no brainer. Jobs would have done the same. That is not going to be easy, who knows about user experiences better than Apple does (or atleast used to). This is underwhelming from Apple.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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> I use a lot of AI professionally, but I haven't even turned on Bixby or whatever the Samsung AI is called. I know this was just a small aside, but man do I hate Bixby and other phone AIs. They are so frustratingly difficult to turn off, and turning them on accidentally is as simply as holding the wrong button for a few seconds, such as when your phone is in your pocket. Very frustrating design.

I never turned Bixby on, so it never really bothers me except for when I update and it want me to accept something which I decline. I turned the button off, I forgot what I switched it to but holy hell was that annoying.

I never turned Bixby on either, but on my phone is comes pre-installed and pre-turned-on, and you can't uninstall it, only "deactivate" it.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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They should have built a separate phone around Apple Intelligence. That is a no brainer. Jobs would have done the same. That is not going to be easy, who knows about user experiences better than Apple does (or atleast used to). This is underwhelming from Apple.

Remove all the apps and icons. All apps must just become skills in the background. Everything operated through voice or chat.

If Apple could crack chat intent to app action with 100% success rate. They have a product line unmatched and uncontested, for a decade.

Maybe Jony Ive & Sam Altman will crack it.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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> Having worked at Apple, I will say I firmly believe they do not sell data. Selling data is so shabby! Why sell when you can just give it away to letter-soup friends ?

Because that's not legal, so they sell it to third party data brokers and it gets resold to someone the TLAs can buy it legally from.

Illegal to share data with entities that are themselves law enforcement, and which they are known to be demanding, not just asking to share out of good will?
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