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Re: Siri AI

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Post by nickpp »

skylurk wrote: post #476
zmmmmm wrote: post #438

It's interesting how anemic the use cases seem to be - we see the same things recycled over and over: "reword my email", "remove object from picture", "add a reminder", "summarise my text message which was already only 20 words long" etc etc. As if these are the major problems in people's lives. I really feel like there's a fascinating valley of death between simple things that actually work and things of real value…

For fun I planned a holiday entirely with LLM's lately, and followed through. It used good models and did a lot of searching, including searches in other languages. It got nothing right, riddled with fake places and times. It also found some weird and unique places I never would have considered. I had a blast, brought me back to traveling pre-internet, requiring a level of spontaneity I had forgotten we used to depen…

I've been planning vacations with ChatGPT's Deep Research since it became available. Absolutely brilliant!

From finding areas with favorite activities for each parents, teens and kids to discovering the do-not-miss attractions and scheduling our vacation between them - it is invaluable. I've seen places I never knew existed in countries I've never been to before and speaking languages I did not speak.

Very few mistakes and lots more flexibility and understanding than the travel agents I used before. I do write long prompts though with lots and lots of info about our family and what we like to do.

Not yet good at finding, filtering by our criteria, comparing and booking available accommodation yet, but it's getting there.

Re: Siri AI

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Post by ricardobayes »

kristianc wrote: post #465
zmmmmm wrote: post #438

It's interesting how anemic the use cases seem to be - we see the same things recycled over and over: "reword my email", "remove object from picture", "add a reminder", "summarise my text message which was already only 20 words long" etc etc. As if these are the major problems in people's lives. I really feel like there's a fascinating valley of death between simple things that actually work and things of real value…

An alien landing on earth consuming Apple marketing content would be under the impression that humans did nothing but organise hikes to Big Sur with their friends.

And we all wear polo shirts

Re: Siri AI

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Post by blitzar »

zmmmmm wrote: post #438

It's interesting how anemic the use cases seem to be - we see the same things recycled over and over: "reword my email", "remove object from picture", "add a reminder", "summarise my text message which was already only 20 words long" etc etc. As if these are the major problems in people's lives. I really feel like there's a fascinating valley of death between simple things that actually work and things of real value…

> interesting how anemic the use cases seem to be

Have a conversation with the average Ai power user (outside of tech / coding) and this is the level the conversation will be on.

Re: Siri AI

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Post by taneq »

jen729w wrote: post #388
Ecstatify wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s the same broken promise every year. All I want is for Siri to set an alarm and open my blinds. That’s enough for me. Makes you wonder how much money Apple has poured into Siri over the years.

> Makes you wonder how much money Apple has poured into Siri over the years. Orders of magnitude less than the literal trillions that others have?

I’ve wondered for years if this is what’s happening. They saw the mad scramble and hype bubble when gpt3 was released, and decided to sit it out until LLM tech was a bit more mature and commoditised.

Huge call if so, given that missing the bus on AGI (if AGI happened) is a universal existential risk, but it turned out to be the right one.

Re: Siri AI

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Post by flohofwoe »

kristianc wrote: post #465
zmmmmm wrote: post #438

It's interesting how anemic the use cases seem to be - we see the same things recycled over and over: "reword my email", "remove object from picture", "add a reminder", "summarise my text message which was already only 20 words long" etc etc. As if these are the major problems in people's lives. I really feel like there's a fascinating valley of death between simple things that actually work and things of real value…

An alien landing on earth consuming Apple marketing content would be under the impression that humans did nothing but organise hikes to Big Sur with their friends.

I remember a couple of years ago it was all about booking a table at a restaurant, as if this would be the main spare time activity of people in the Apple bubble. I wonder when the shift from restaurant bookings to outdoor activities happened. Maybe a pre- vs post-Covid thing?

Re: Siri AI

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Post by Snoddas »

9dev wrote: post #530
idle_zealot wrote: post #442

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Even the aspirational use cases you're talking about basically are just "digital secretary." There's a massive problem with that even if the models end up being capable in the future. The value of a secretary is that you know them, they know you, and you trust them to do things right. There are stakes if they don't. No company can provide that as a service at scale for everyone without it being a disaster. Not becaus…

The vast majority of people never even asked for a personal assistant, because that isn’t something normal people have or do need in the first place. They aren’t so occupied/privileged/posh to need someone to do the trivial tasks of daily life for them. This whole venue of technology is an exercise in ivory tower construction completely disconnected from ordinary people.

I think you are wrong.

They never asked for one becase they never imagined being able to afford one.

The amount of administration organizing a normal household takes I suspect most would be glad to leave to someon/something they trust and that can be held accountable.

Today that someone needs to be a person (imo). But who knows, a startup may be plotting accountable digital assistans as we speak.

Re: Siri AI

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Post by aurareturn »

KawaiiCyborg wrote: post #446
Danox wrote: post #230

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Don’t buy it you have Android which is 3/4 of the world? What’s the problem? You also have Windows which is also 3/4 of the world.

As if Android and Windows don't also use the same tactics. Windows used to not let you uninstall Edge and Android used to just default to Chrome and Google Search, now they have to prompt you what you actually want to use. If the big companies are left unchecked, of course they'll use their size to bully other players to increase their own profit, but always at the cost of the customer.

Surely there must be a phone you can buy that lets you do that right?

Re: Siri AI

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Post by vkondenko »

Tepix wrote: post #518

They promised Apple Intelligence with iPhone 15 Pro and more recent models. Now [relevant parts of] Siri AI is restricted to iPhone 17 / iPhone Air and more recent models. People who believed Apple and bought an iPhone 16 to use with Apple Intelligence are getting the shaft.

I'll probably get downvoted, but my guess is that they realized they need a cutting-edge local model that would only work decently on the most powerful iPhones. And I see why Apple would choose to give no AI at all rather than use a weaker model that will hinder user experience.

Re: Siri AI

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Post by aurareturn »

KawaiiCyborg wrote: post #447
aurareturn wrote: post #226

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If I want Anthropic to have the same level of access that Apple grants itself on _my_ phone, I should be able to do so. I want to install my personal software on my refrigerator, washing machine, hand shaver, coffee maker. I bought them. They're mine. /s If people want to buy open hardware, then just buy those. If they don't exist, make them yourself.

Do you rather want your refrigerator, washing machine and coffee maker send all the data it collects about you during your usage to some company you don't even know? How is it ridiculous to want to be able to make your devices do what you want to do, not what the big company behind it wants?

Those machines don’t connect to the internet but I want to run my own software on them.

Re: Siri AI

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

zmmmmm wrote: post #438

It's interesting how anemic the use cases seem to be - we see the same things recycled over and over: "reword my email", "remove object from picture", "add a reminder", "summarise my text message which was already only 20 words long" etc etc. As if these are the major problems in people's lives. I really feel like there's a fascinating valley of death between simple things that actually work and things of real value…

Extremely surprised we didn’t get the “book me a flight” example that has been an AI demo used over and over but everyone’s so particular about flights I can’t see many people just wanting to one shot it.

The laundry list of object removal, spacial photos, better speech to text etc is always just the latest open models just being slapped in there and branded as Apple.

Ultimately the meat of this presentation was the work of people outside Apple.

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