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Re: Siri AI

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parodysbird wrote: post #341
nandomrumber wrote: post #273

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I struggle to believe there isn’t a significant fraction of EU citizens who are frustrated with the EU’s laws. At the very least to the extent that the whole setup limits national sovereignty. Your comment comes across as though you expect us to believe EU citizens are a homogenous whole, who happen to align with your perspective on this matter.

Supranational regulations limit national sovereignty, news at 11. Across the gamut of regulations the EU has, it's not really the ones that apply to Apple that draw much ire.

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Re: Siri AI

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crancher wrote: post #67
speak_plainly wrote: post #35

The demo Mike Rockwell gave at WWDC was interesting. He kinda showed off Siri as like the Star Trek computer for your phone. I hope this is the direction Apple is going to continue in. Having AI as a user interface is way more interesting than chat bots, image editors, or copy editing.

I think the key thing is that Spotlight is now creating a... knowledge graph? of everything on your device for Siri's consideration. That's potentially very useful.

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Re: Siri AI

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baby_souffle wrote: post #344
cromka wrote: post #323

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For me it's all the above and lack of multiple-item clipboard. It's incredible how much time it saves on a phone...

Did iOS ever get OCR based copy/paste? Pixels have had it for years but I think it's in every android phone now; from the app switcher you can press and hold and the system will OCR the text and allow you to copy it. Because so many things _still_ don't make that easy to do on mobile.

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Re: Siri AI

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Post by kalleboo »

zzyzxd wrote: post #156
arijun wrote: post #24

They’re adding vibecoded shortcuts (the high level scripting for Apple devices). Hopefully that means they worked out some of the long-existing bugs and missing features, but I’m not optimistic. Still, could be a useful tool, especially for less tech-literate people.

If they are ok with shortcuts being vibecoded, maybe it's time to expose a proper programming language to the end users as well. All my automation shortcuts can be easily explained in pseudo code under 5 minutes, but it took me ages to put them together because that weird UI/UX forcing me to drag-and-drop squares around to manipulate data structures. Programmers hate it, non-programmers can't understand it, it is not…

It's funny how they went from AppleScript -> "oh writing scripts is too complicated for users, let's create Automator" -> "Automator is too simple, let's create Shortcuts" -> now with shortcuts being generated by language models they need a structured scripting language again.

AppleScript even had "dictionaries" declaring their commands and everything, would have been perfect way teach LLMs how to automate applications.

Re: Siri AI

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Post by bnj »

thewebguyd wrote: post #256
tyre wrote: post #253

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It’s kind of funny that the EU’s regulation here would force Apple to allow options that are worse for user privacy. Apple is the least incentivized to farm data from its users; in fact, that’s a huge selling point. They mentioned it over and over and over in the WWDC keynote today. In my opinion, Apple is doing the right thing for users. It’s not like they have a huge revenue stream here. Yes, there will be some fea…

> Apple is doing the right thing for users. The right thing for users would be to allow user choice, and for Apple to compete fairly. Apple allowing third party access doesn't automatically mean user data gets hoovered up by OpenAI, Anthropic, etc. It just means users now get the choice, if they want to make that choice. Users could stay with Siri/Apple if they care about what Apple is offering, or choose to accept t…

There is a vast asymmetry in knowledge and capability to make those choices for most users. Most users will press agree and consent to things they don’t understand to get to the next screen, and while that would be terrible for the individuals I think it’s also important to look further at the ramifications because probably Apple would be blamed.

Re: Siri AI

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nandomrumber wrote: post #273
vrganj wrote: post #223

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The thing is, Europeans are mostly annoyed with Apple over this, not the EC. It just reads like arrogant foreigners throwing a tantrum over our laws.

I struggle to believe there isn’t a significant fraction of EU citizens who are frustrated with the EU’s laws. At the very least to the extent that the whole setup limits national sovereignty. Your comment comes across as though you expect us to believe EU citizens are a homogenous whole, who happen to align with your perspective on this matter.

The alternative is more US meddling.

Re: Siri AI

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Post by adjejmxbdjdn »

nandomrumber wrote: post #273
vrganj wrote: post #223

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The thing is, Europeans are mostly annoyed with Apple over this, not the EC. It just reads like arrogant foreigners throwing a tantrum over our laws.

I struggle to believe there isn’t a significant fraction of EU citizens who are frustrated with the EU’s laws. At the very least to the extent that the whole setup limits national sovereignty. Your comment comes across as though you expect us to believe EU citizens are a homogenous whole, who happen to align with your perspective on this matter.

As someone who’s now switched over completely to USB-C and has saved money and reduced cable complexity incredibly, even if I ever get mad at the EU it will never be over Apple, which has time and again demonstrated itself to be an incredibly bad faith actor.

They complain about things their competitors are able to implement with no problems at all, and then once their tantrums are not sustainable anymore, they’re apparently able to solve all the problems as well.

For a company that sells itself as a design + engineering firm, they seem to have very little confidence in their ability to design or engineer their ways around constraints pretty much everyone else is able to.

Re: Siri AI

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Post by xp84 »

hbn wrote: post #318
vrganj wrote: post #223

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The thing is, Europeans are mostly annoyed with Apple over this, not the EC. It just reads like arrogant foreigners throwing a tantrum over our laws.

I would call those people uninformed. It's completely reasonable for Apple to be hesitant to roll out any new integration features within their own ecosystem in the EU. iPhone mirroring for example. Seems like practically 100% chance that if they put that out in the EU they'd be facing lawsuits for not making it work with every Android and Kindle and digital pregnancy test on the planet. And making it an open API rig…

Ignoring your silly hyperbole—

Yes, it is harder to support APIs compared to… only having a completely closed system.

It would take a trillion dollar company to have the kind of resources that kind of thing would take.

The fact Apple thinks it should be exempt from rules that try to impose some fairness and choice, simply because “it’s hard” is the kind of thing that makes me feel they should be forced to be broken up in some fashion that limits the conflict of interest. They can be a petty platform owner who extracts rents from every developer OR they can offer things like apps and services on top of a platform. They are proving themselves too evil to be both.

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