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Switzerland wil have a referendum to cap population at 10M

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Re: Switzerland wil have a referendum to cap population at 10M

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Homogeneous in the modern use of the word.

> Homogeneous in the modern use What does it mean if it includes heterogenous populations from linguistic, historic, religious and even cultural backgrounds?

I think they mean racial/ethnic.

Re: Switzerland wil have a referendum to cap population at 10M

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seems to be a common concern amongst the local population everywhere "X identity is hiring only X identity"

If you’re part of the majority group, you really don’t see how cliquish people in minority groups are. Every time I get into a cab with another “brown” person, there is a Q&A. When they find out I’m from a muslim country, it’s all “my brother,” etc. I’ve always found it distasteful.

The people who fixate on this stuff are projecting.

Re: Switzerland wil have a referendum to cap population at 10M

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Hacker News admins: can we please ban illiterate morons like this who think they are contributing anything of value by responding directly to the post title alone, while obviously not having read the actual posted article?

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Re: Switzerland wil have a referendum to cap population at 10M

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Swiss as racists. Amazing. People know Americans harbor racist feelings because they are surrounded by people of many races. But it's trivial to demonstrate racism among any population as soon as you introduce an "other" of virtually any type.

No it isn’t racism as Germans had the same skin color. Keep in mind that Germans aren’t stereotypical anymore. In Switzerland live over 41% migrants and children of migrants (just 8.4%). So the native Swiss are not just “surrounded” but greatly diminished.

It wasn’t that long ago that American racists debated whether Italians and even Irish were truly “white.” The definition of white had expanded considerably over the years.

Eastern Europeans, Jews (of course), and Russians were also at times not “white.”

Maybe we should just keep expanding it. Declare everyone white. Black people are just white people with more melanin.

Then we can be racist about aliens from outer space.

Re: Switzerland wil have a referendum to cap population at 10M

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Swiss here and able to vote. In fact, just posted my voting letter today, before taking a 1h bike ride through the biggest city in Switzerland, having lots of space and freedom biking around in our beautiful city. When taking the train to my parents house, I pass several farms and landly smaller cities. Alot of free space in between those, train mostly has spare seats, depending on rush hour timings. There usually ar…

It seems like a good idea to start worrying about population long before it feels overcrowded and there's no room left on the trains. The issue isn't about how much open space there is to stuff people into, but about how many people an area can sustainably support. I'm not sure that 10 million is a good target to aim for, but you sure don't want to wait until your quality of life declines before you start making plans.

If people are already starting to have trouble finding work and housing that seems like the conversation is long overdue.

Re: Switzerland wil have a referendum to cap population at 10M

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They could have fled for any number of reasons- that doesn't mean that they aren't exactly in sync with the culture they are coming from. And even if they aren't in sync with the culture they are fleeing- they very likely still hold radically different values than you. I met a man from Afghanistan sometime last year, however, once we got past the introductions and realized we shared things in common- he opened up to…

Sharia law is quite big! So big that I'm fairly certain that there is at least one aspect of Sharia law that you would agree with, even if (as it sounds like) you are overall against. If you accept that, you can have a honest discussion of the merits and detriments. I find it's best to break these things down and discuss them individually (or discuss how multiple rules combine to produce a particular effect, as the c…

Yes, I'm well aware of how big it is, and of course there are aspects of it that I do agree with. What I came away from the conversation with was "wow, this other guy has zero understanding of how important individual liberties are in the United States"

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If you’re part of the majority group, you really don’t see how cliquish people in minority groups are. Every time I get into a cab with another “brown” person, there is a Q&A. When they find out I’m from a muslim country, it’s all “my brother,” etc. I’ve always found it distasteful.

The people who fixate on this stuff are projecting.

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Re: Switzerland wil have a referendum to cap population at 10M

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Because it is the place it is due to the conditions it has grown in. Take away the EU and Switzerland loses a significant part of their economic power, which is needed to sustain being the place it is. Just like Brexit.

> take away the EU Is not accepting infinity immigration "taking away the EU"? And the population density is even more part of the conditions it has grown in. But much much harder to fix if it increases too much - shouldn't they take a precautionary approach? Regardless, that's not the question I asked. I asked why the poster was pretending they don't know population number affects the quality of a place.

> Is not accepting infinity immigration "taking away the EU"?

Have you read the page? Yes it is.

> Regardless, that's not the question I asked. I asked why the poster was pretending they don't know population number affects the quality of a place.

In that case: why are you pretending to not understand rhetorical questions after asking one yourself?

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