didn't the scientists connect colorectal cancer with antibiotics and digestion tract biome?
Why are so many young people getting cancer?
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Re: Why are so many young people getting cancer?
#172Chronic inflammation is almost certainly part of this and lots of things about our modern ways of living cause higher levels of inflammation. - Obesity and sugary drinks/food - Various chemicals we use in agriculture, food products, cleaning, etc - Lack of sleep - Lack of exercise - Stress - Pharmaceuticals. And to be clear because I know this will be more controversial, I'm not anti-pharma, but lots of people today…
> - Low Vit D levels – seriously everyone should be supplementing > - More radiation emitting devices Yeah you should absolutely not be going out in the sun for your vitamin D if you believe the latter to be a cause because the sun emits many orders of magnitude more radiation than human made devices in daily use.
I admitted my ignorance. But what are you saying here? That base radiation exposure isn't likely to be higher today than it was in the past or that it's likely an insignificant increase for most people?
Re: Why are so many young people getting cancer?
#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
Science is building hypothesis and testing them. It is not saying it seems unlikely so I don't care. You can look up the changes to green beans depending if they are fresh, shipped a huge distance without bring frozen or frozen. Some nutrients change, these changes could affect satiety which could affect obesity, but you just don't care?
> Science is building hypothesis and testing them. Bad science is building hypothesis and promulgating it publicly alongside zero evidence whatsoever. The discussion is about stored apples specifically causing increased cancer rates, paired with an arbitrary woo categorization of "living" vs "dead" food. OP wondered why this did not occupy a larger portion of public discourse. Again, this hypothesis exists alongside…
Passively storing (whole) fruit changes fruit, I'm sorry if that aligns with crackpot theories but you shouldn't just dismiss things as not happening to try to take them away from fad theories that have a story that propels them above a lack of evidence. This makes it all the more popular to hold theories as faith and argue that everyone does.
Re: Why are so many young people getting cancer?
#174Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can write this same exact comment when saying that 5G might cause autism or the covid vaccine might cause cancer.
Not really, no. Cancer and autism and their trends predate 5g and covid.
This trend is also not aligned on the timeline with a global food system where food travels long distances before it is eaten.
Re: Why are so many young people getting cancer?
#175Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Science is building hypothesis and testing them. Bad science is building hypothesis and promulgating it publicly alongside zero evidence whatsoever. The discussion is about stored apples specifically causing increased cancer rates, paired with an arbitrary woo categorization of "living" vs "dead" food. OP wondered why this did not occupy a larger portion of public discourse. Again, this hypothesis exists alongside…
Passively storing (whole) fruit changes fruit, I'm sorry if that aligns with crackpot theories but you shouldn't just dismiss things as not happening to try to take them away from fad theories that have a story that propels them above a lack of evidence. This makes it all the more popular to hold theories as faith and argue that everyone does.
> I'm sorry if that aligns with crackpot theories
Don't be sorry! Instead of apologizing, all I ask is that you notice, read, and internalize the part where the objection is to "and therefore that's why cancer rates are increasing".
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#176Earlier quoted context omitted.
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I'm sorry, but I don't understand your question. My mod reply was superficial because there was so little information in the GP comment. It sounds like you're alluding to some of the background to your actual view, but we readers don't have any access to that from a comment like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48448450 . You have that state in your head; we don't have access to it! If you would want instead to p…
My actual view is that A) I don't know what's causing it, but B) neither does anyone else, yet certain hypothesis are going to be [flagged] no matter what, because they trip over certain biases inherit in our political climate.
This just isn't going to be a scientifically important forum anymore where competing ideas can be thoughtfully debated if this keeps happening, that's all my original view was expressing. I'm not even defending any particular post here, this is a more general trend, if the site were to stop brigading and instantly [flagging] wrong-think I strongly believe we'd see a resurgence of thoughtful debate even among hot-button issues, like it used to be back during the Snowden-era for instance.
PS I don't envy your task of moderating a site like this, but those are my 2c...
Re: Why are so many young people getting cancer?
#177Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not really, no. Cancer and autism and their trends predate 5g and covid.
This trend is also not aligned on the timeline with a global food system where food travels long distances before it is eaten.
In terms of the crackpot theory I'd suspect more people ate longer stored food in 1980 than today. In terms of changes that could explain a rise in a very infrequent thing I'd suspect a lot more people eat a measurable amount of transcontinental "fresh" which probably has a lot more nutritional loss than frozen for example.
Re: Why are so many young people getting cancer?
#178Earlier quoted context omitted.
This trend is also not aligned on the timeline with a global food system where food travels long distances before it is eaten.
In terms of the crackpot theory I'd suspect more people ate longer stored food in 1980 than today. In terms of changes that could explain a rise in a very infrequent thing I'd suspect a lot more people eat a measurable amount of transcontinental "fresh" which probably has a lot more nutritional loss than frozen for example.
An awful lot of "I'd suspect."
I'll let the professional researchers work to tease it out.
Re: Why are so many young people getting cancer?
#179I believe the single common caiae of increase for all types of cancer is immunosuppression. Immune system might clear a cancer cell that would otherwise evolve to fulminant disease, every few days. A slight immunosuppression might explain a astonishing increase. All the environmental factors referred are candidates for that but the most important is chronic psychological stress, which is rampant in modern adults and…
This doesn't sound right to me. I've heard people speculate about the opposite actually: psychological stress causing the an overactive immune system, resulting in chronic inflammation and a prevalence of auto-immune disease. I'm a layman though, would like for someone to clarify.
You probably refer to the psycho-immunology, a different aspect. I refer to onco-immunology which is even less explored. In the past many proposed a connection between stress and cancer but without evidence and ground. I think it's time to approach it with enough scientific rigor.
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#180Earlier quoted context omitted.
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You can write this same exact comment when saying that 5G might cause autism or the covid vaccine might cause cancer.
This seems like a poor tool to keep in your logical toolbox. If some line of logic would lead to some sacred cow getting slaughtered, then that logic must be false?