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Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by tom1337 »

peterspath wrote: post #5
microflash wrote: post #3

Not launching in EU feels like a smell. It does look interesting enough for me to try it out before disabling Apple Intelligence again.

It’s the DMA regulation that forces Apple to give the same access as they have to other AI chat apps. Once it leaves the device Apple does not know what those other ai chat apps will do with the gathered data. > Siri AI is private by design and deeply integrated across Apple’s platforms using on-device processing and Private Cloud Compute, which extends the privacy and security of iPhone into the cloud. However, unde…

> It’s the DMA regulation that forces Apple to give the same access as they have to other AI chat apps.

But why can Tesla ship Grok to their cars in the EU without any problems? Why aren't they required to let me choose between Grok, OpenAI etc or even a custom endpoint?

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by lacker »

microflash wrote: post #3

Not launching in EU feels like a smell. It does look interesting enough for me to try it out before disabling Apple Intelligence again.

It is a smell. But it's the EU that smells bad, when it comes to tech regulation. It's the smell of cookie popup warnings.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by xnx »

changoplatanero wrote: post #69
dejawu wrote: post #7

It's strange to me that Apple would choose to disadvantage themselves by selecting Google as their provider as opposed to, say, Anthropic or even OpenAI. Doesn't this mean they'll struggle more to differentiate themselves from the assistant on Android phones? Thinking more cynically, couldn't Google, if they wanted, feed Apple an inferior version of Gemini, ensuring they stay ahead? As the consumer, this just sucks b…

At the time Apple made this decision there wasn’t as strong of a difference in model quality between Google, anthropic, and OpenAI as there is now. Also Apple definitely burnt some bridges with OpenAI on the agreement they made together a year earlier.

> wasn’t as strong of a difference in model quality between Google, anthropic, and OpenAI as there is now

What's the difference now? I would guess 9/10 people here would have a very hard time telling the models apart in a blind taste test.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by oulipo2 »

potatoman22 wrote: post #35
dejawu wrote: post #7

It's strange to me that Apple would choose to disadvantage themselves by selecting Google as their provider as opposed to, say, Anthropic or even OpenAI. Doesn't this mean they'll struggle more to differentiate themselves from the assistant on Android phones? Thinking more cynically, couldn't Google, if they wanted, feed Apple an inferior version of Gemini, ensuring they stay ahead? As the consumer, this just sucks b…

I'd wager that for 99.9% of "Apple Intelligence" tasks, Google's models perform just as well as other frontier labs. Google also has done more work on getting LLMs running on edge devices compared to anthropic and openAI. The source also says > The new architecture centers on Apple Foundation Models co-developed with Google, which Apple says are adapted to run both on-device and on servers through its existing Privat…

That's not the point of OP. The point of OP is that Google is a direct competitor of Apple for phones / OS, so them giving the "key of the house" to Google is risky

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by al_borland »

nraleigh wrote: post #31

This move kind of reminds me of the original iPhone with google maps. You're competing with google, but you're using their infrastructure. Why wouldn't they just go with another provider like OpenAI or Anthropic?

To be fair, with the original iPhone they weren't competing. Google did backend web stuff well, so Apple partnered with them and made nice local apps that were fed by Google's cloud data. The same was true for the YouTube app.

After Google saw the iPhone (before the public), they pivoted their vision for Android (it was originally on blackberry-style hardware), and that's when the "thermonuclear war" started. Kind of interesting Steve Jobs would have showed the iPhone off like that, when something very similar happened with Bill Gates, which prompted the development of Windows (according to Jobs).

19 years later, it's probably time to be pragmatic again. If Apple isn't able to deliver on some of these AI integrations into the OS, they risk losing users to Android. If they have to pay someone for a model, they might as well choose the one they think is going to be best for their users. This keeps existing iPhone users on iPhone, and may pull over some Android users looking for the same features, but with better privacy. That seems like a win for Apple. To pay OpenAI instead of Google would just be spite at this point. Maybe well deserved, but the leadership has all changed over in the last two decades, so they'd be fighting old wars. Though I think they should still think twice before showing Google anything that hasn't yet been released.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by bigyabai »

hectdev wrote: post #92
jamesgill wrote: post #88

Maybe I'm wrong, but this seems to strongly undercut Apple's claims about privacy.

>The company reiterated that Apple Intelligence relies on on-device processing and Private Cloud Compute, with a promise that user data is only used to execute the immediate request and is not accessible to Apple or third parties. Apple added that outside experts can verify those privacy guarantees "at any time."

> Apple added that outside experts can verify those privacy guarantees "at any time."

To my understanding, these "outside experts" have to go through a vetting process by Apple first. There are no publicly available audits of the infrastructure planned right now.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by Centigonal »

dejawu wrote: post #7

It's strange to me that Apple would choose to disadvantage themselves by selecting Google as their provider as opposed to, say, Anthropic or even OpenAI. Doesn't this mean they'll struggle more to differentiate themselves from the assistant on Android phones? Thinking more cynically, couldn't Google, if they wanted, feed Apple an inferior version of Gemini, ensuring they stay ahead? As the consumer, this just sucks b…

I'm speculating, but it's likely that Google is the only provider who is willing to adhere to the inference compute requirements that Apple sets out for their foundation models. They are, after all, the only provider that will let you host their FMs in your data center.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by vrosas »

rileymat2 wrote: post #39
chinathrow wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe they're looking for stability and trust Google to be around longer than Antrophic or OpenAI when the storm starts.

I may be jaded, but I do not trust Google for product offering stability. Obviously, Apple is a way bigger fish.

It's not a popular opinion on HN but Google is actually super stable from a B2B perspective. Even app engine (2008) is still kicking.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by J_Shelby_J »

dejawu wrote: post #7

It's strange to me that Apple would choose to disadvantage themselves by selecting Google as their provider as opposed to, say, Anthropic or even OpenAI. Doesn't this mean they'll struggle more to differentiate themselves from the assistant on Android phones? Thinking more cynically, couldn't Google, if they wanted, feed Apple an inferior version of Gemini, ensuring they stay ahead? As the consumer, this just sucks b…

Anthropic and OpenAI are stuck on slower and more expensive nvidia hardware. It doesn’t scale like googles TPUs.
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