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Re: AI is slowing down

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Post by kunai »

metadat wrote: post #4
ElFitz wrote: post #2

I find it difficult to separate this piece’s tone from its content. The tone puts me off and makes it hard for me to judge it on its merits, despite some of the arguments seeming sound and well supported.

Agreed. I am open to the possibility of the bubble bursting or whatever, but this piece is like 3,000 words and cites everything as evidence the sky is falling. It's just as bad as the pro-AI grifters, just in the other direction. Does the truth normally lie somewhere in the middle of it all?

Probably. Although I feel more inclined to forgive Ed in this case because it's sort of fighting fire with fire, the insanely hyperbolic and obscenely misleading drivel that's coming out of the most ardent AI boosters is continually unchallenged in the public eye. In a world where we had a more realistic view of AI/ML/LLMs, the limits to its capabilities, and the negative externalities of its widespread adoption in places where it quite frankly does not belong, then I'd be more critical of the Chicken Little sort of writing style

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Post by dr_robert »

swader999 wrote: post #7

I think we need to see Open AI's and/or Anthropic's S1's to really know the state of it all.

Totally agree, remember WeWork's S1 and the fall that followed. Don't think it's the same case, but it'll clarify a lot of things

Re: AI is slowing down

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Post by oudlys »

dkobia wrote: post #9

Zitron is begging for a collapse at this point. Yes, his macro analysis correctly identifies a massive financial risk but his incessant pessimism completely misses the incredible ground-level utility that many of us on HN celebrate every day through undeniable, massive productivity gains. At this point I'm trying to believe there's a middle ground where the level of individual capability this unlocks, leads to major…

Productivity is not value. It's quite possible for you to experience productivity improvements, and actual value to not be created. That is what I think the most robust data is showing.

https://unessays.substack.com/p/talk-is-cheap

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Post by selectodude »

dkobia wrote: post #9

Zitron is begging for a collapse at this point. Yes, his macro analysis correctly identifies a massive financial risk but his incessant pessimism completely misses the incredible ground-level utility that many of us on HN celebrate every day through undeniable, massive productivity gains. At this point I'm trying to believe there's a middle ground where the level of individual capability this unlocks, leads to major…

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Re: AI is slowing down

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Post by zachthewf »

Before you spend 20 minutes reading this article, it's worth understanding that the writer has been posting popular but consistently wrong takes for 2+ years (e.g. https://www.wheresyoured.at/peakai/ from March 2024) arguing that AI is failing, is a waste of money, is bad, will never work, etc.

Re: AI is slowing down

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Post by aogaili »

Some people seem to see the world only through bubbles. But if you look at human history, despite the ups and downs, we have a trajectory; generally speaking, human-created systems evolve toward ever-increasing complexity, impact, and efficiency.

The current wave of AI unlocked language - the tools are now speaking and understanding. This, on its own, is astonishing progress. Language is the foundation of our culture and society; it is the very technology that got us, as a species, to where we are today. To have tools that can understand, manipulate, and produce it is a massive leap forward.

Once you see things that way, it is clear that we are not in a bubble; we are in a transition. Yes, there is tons of hype and over-investment, but the demand is real, and so is the impact. Unless you are deep in the tech and have that structural depth, it is easy to dismiss. This is like the invention of the personal computer, but with 100x the impact and speed.

Re: AI is slowing down

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Post by simianwords »

Ed Zitron speaks to a particular type of angry tech conservative. He’s not speaking truth or exposing anything. He’s the soothing voice the tech nerds of yesterday year are yearning for.

The angry polemic that goes on and on and on with cuss words used liberally is just meant to evoke emotion and cathartic resolution to the type of people mentioned above. Not truth.

The thing is, there are a lot of people that find comfort in what he’s writing - primarily because it’s a coping mechanism against how quickly things are moving and a way to deal with being left behind. When you spend time, years, building institutional knowledge and making a whole identity out of it, you obviously will feel bad with the threat of it being commoditised.

I would write against the content of the article but I find it easier and more illuminating to write what he has said before instead. Then it shows how incorrect the guy has been and with what confidence he keeps speaking with.

Re: AI is slowing down

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Post by Kim_Bruning »

Buried lede (if the title is the actual promise), the sources don't seem to back the title either. Someone with more patience can correct me if I accidentally missed a bombshell anyway.

Edit:

> If you’re wondering what the story is, [...] I expect it to be out in the next two weeks [...] I can guarantee you it’ll be worth it, and you’ll be stunned by what I report.

Ok, this takes clickbait to new lows. The headline is trying to sell the teaser here, with very limited meat in the middle of the sandwich.

Re: AI is slowing down

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Post by alexashka »

bpodgursky wrote: post #5

What's the point of arguing with any of this. It's like someone arguing that cheese isn't real. Yes I can go to the grocery store and take a picture of cheese and show it, but what's the point? They can live in their own world. It doesn't change any of our lives. The world is what it is.

> What's the point of arguing with any of this.

> It's like someone arguing that cheese isn't real

I agree with your first statement (any being you) because of your second statement.

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