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Re: Replies to comments on my "LLMs are eroding my career" post

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Post by red75prime »

grebc wrote: post #114
red75prime wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the technology that aims to replicate all of the human functionality. So, the aim is unprecedented. You might not be convinced that this aim is achievable (despite having the human brain that achieves it, unlike, say, superluminal travel), but, at least, you might be inclined to recognize that something potentially unprecedented is going on.

Cool. You best worry and stress yourself out about a situation you cannot control then.

The usual political means (writing to your senator or something appropriate for your country of residency) still work.

Re: Replies to comments on my "LLMs are eroding my career" post

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Post by lwhi »

RugnirViking wrote: post #90
lwhi wrote: post #86

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We won't be programmers in this scenario. The results will hopefully be a lot more tangible.

This also was true for teams, and indeed, businesses. It's not a property of the code itself, its a property of products and outcomes. I don't think AI agents doing the day to day changes will affect this directly (but people may have more time to think about these higher level problems, and increased volume of changes may make the issue more important)

I agree.

I suppose, my best guess is that a team will be reduced to one or two people; the those that are left will be judged solely on outcomes.

Two (human) brains are always useful; the benefit of a human in these scenarios is that we can be accountable, and that we have a very real incentive to do well and not be fired. The LLM obviously doesn't care in that regard!

Re: Replies to comments on my "LLMs are eroding my career" post

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Post by alex1sa »

pixel_popping wrote: post #11

I agree with all of it, and I think author did a really good job at actually saying what's true, it's almost like developers don't want to hear it. I feel that OP has reach that point because he went out of the basic tooling like Claude Code (at least in its default state) and embrace multi-model, automatic reviewing, fuse, loops and so-on, when it's done right, well, failure rate to solve issues is Many people will…

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Re: Replies to comments on my "LLMs are eroding my career" post

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Post by jerkstate »

lelanthran wrote: post #60
lwhi wrote: post #26

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I think in the future, those who succeed will be equivalent to wayfinders. People who _can_ see the wood for the trees, and are able to understand multiple (sometimes conflicting) requirements and work out a way through that solves the problems that arise, for all involved parties. An understanding of domain, the ability to communicate effectively and a mind that can think laterally, will all be vital.

> I think in the future, those who succeed will be equivalent to wayfinders. In the future, those who succeed will be the owners of capital.

How do you know those aren’t the same thing?

Re: Replies to comments on my "LLMs are eroding my career" post

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Post by thunspa »

canadiantim wrote: post #35
pixel_popping wrote: post #11

I agree with all of it, and I think author did a really good job at actually saying what's true, it's almost like developers don't want to hear it. I feel that OP has reach that point because he went out of the basic tooling like Claude Code (at least in its default state) and embrace multi-model, automatic reviewing, fuse, loops and so-on, when it's done right, well, failure rate to solve issues is Many people will…

May I ask what are some of methods you’re using for this level of productivity?

Also interested.

Re: Replies to comments on my "LLMs are eroding my career" post

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Post by graemep »

vinyl7 wrote: post #129
an0malous wrote: post #112

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I don’t know, I don’t think anyone really cares. I can’t unmute videos on Twitter/X on iOS, it’s been like that for over a year. I get a new disclosure that my data was leaked about every month. Palantir and possible Claude targeted a girl’s school for missile strikes. I still have to tell Claude what day or time it is right now sometimes, or it’ll give me medical advice for my dog and the dosing or some important nu…

> We’re in some weird stage of capitalism where everything is a grift and nobody really cares anymore. I've felt this way for a long time now. There's no substance to anything anymore. The US economy feels like a more advanced Nigerian scam, where very few things that the US makes provides anything of actual value and substance. Americans just can't afford quality anymore. We decided we'd like to have significant amo…

Its short termism. its the same throughout the west and beyond. The markets want returns on a one or two year period, not long term investment. Executive pay is almost always tied to short term profits and share prices.

Re: Replies to comments on my "LLMs are eroding my career" post

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Post by saxenaabhi »

Ukv wrote: post #94
coffeefirst wrote: post #62

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> The cost for the same quality of output is going to drop at least 10x over the next 18-24 months. How do you know that? In 2026 the prices have been spiking. It now costs orders of magnitude more than it did in November.

Price of the current frontier may vary, but price for a given level of capability tends to drop pretty fast. April of last year you'd get 1431 ELO[0] from o3-2025-04-16 for $8.00 per million output tokens. April of this year you can get 1436 ELO from deepseek-v4-flash for $0.2 per million output tokens. [0]: https://huggingface.co/spaces/lmarena-ai/arena-leaderboard

Sure, but i don't think it's reasonable to hold given level of capability constant in a landscape where a give consumer of AI also has competitive pressures.

I can't use last year's SOTA model when my competitors can use the current SOTA model.

This is also baked in the eye watering valuations of model companies.

Re: Replies to comments on my "LLMs are eroding my career" post

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Post by wetpaws »

dist-epoch wrote: post #57
genezeta wrote: post #3

I've had quite a few conversations and read many thoughts on the subject of job security in the software industry through the years. New technologies, various crisis and crashes, just age , incoming "hordes" of less prepared developers, or whatever. If I had to highlight the one thing all those conversations had in common it would be precisely this: I thought that having this knowledge would set me apart And it never…

This is the old China fallacy. "Oh, we'll just ship production to China, and do the design and marketing in US, this is where the real value is anyway, China will never be able to do design and marketing as well as we do". Literally same thing: "Oh, we'll just let LLMs code, and we'll just do Taste. LLMs will never be able to do Taste"

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Re: Replies to comments on my "LLMs are eroding my career" post

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Post by Younes86 »

avaer wrote: post #22
omblivion wrote: post #2

I strongly agree with the author replies. I cannot grasp the reasonment of those who underestimate the power of these tools and their growing potential. We should remember that the outside world care about things that work, not about how good they are inside sadly.

The outside world doesn't even care that things work, they care that it looks like it works long enough. Investors don't care that it's snake oil, as long as they're not left holding the bag. AI is really good at making things that look like they work. This is a steelman of your argument.

fully agree with that and it's exactly the problem and it's getting worse with muti agent.

it's look like clean and polished but its full of mess, and duplicate code, no conventions..

we're generating code faster but at what price. but the real and deep project intelligence still a bottleneck.

Re: Replies to comments on my "LLMs are eroding my career" post

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Post by bluefirebrand »

watwut wrote: post #128
bluefirebrand wrote: post #110

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Right? AI evangelists never seem to miss an opportunity to be clueless about this "Why do you guys hate AI so much? All I did was tell you it's so great that it makes your skills worthless and how glad I am that I won't need people like you around in the future to make art and designs. What's wrong with that?"

What I noticed was that it was not just about money. It is not like people could live out of art last decades anyway. Artists actually know it better then anyone. But the disdain toward things artistic people value and like was noticeable. Even when one has bad economic news, surely it should be possible to say then without being gleeful arrogant jerk. Which is exactly what the message was. It is just ... we insulted…

That's certainly a big part of it for me too

There's a large amount of voices, both online and off, that are sneering. Between crabs in a bucket happy that software devs are being clawed down, and people happy thinking they no longer need us

I'm worn down by a cacophony of voices telling me I'm no longer wanted or needed. I'm very tired.

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