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Re: Replies to comments on my "LLMs are eroding my career" post

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Again, imagine this kind of "counterargument" under threads about anything else . If it weren't AI-related it'd already be flagged.

Flag away dear friend. If it doesn’t fit your narrative that’s your prerogative.

Re: Replies to comments on my "LLMs are eroding my career" post

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Whenever someone complaints about LLMs eroding their career, I advise them to read The Profession by Isaac Asimov. TLDR: there will be less programmers and they will be better on average.

Do you do this because you hate these people? If I recall the story correctly, it’s basically confirming their worst fears

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> On novel work: > Work that introduces new methods, highly creative ideas, or solutions that have not been used or experienced before. More generally, an approach that introduces an innovative strategy to solve a complex problem. Something that I've been thinking about for the past year or so is coming to grips with the fact that the vast majority (anecdote) of software engineering work is not novel (and maybe that'…

> I think much of the angst that people have when they fear for their job is coming to the realization that LLMs can do most of the "standard" work that a lot of highly compensated individuals currently do.

Amd do it better in most cases imo. Which is also hard to come to terms with, because there is a good bit of elitism/entitlement going around. The idea that a SWE is working at a higher level, which is beyond the reach of mere mortals, so therefore the high compensation is justified. Meanwhile everyone is, for the most part, doing some slight variation of the same thing as you suggested.

After starting out working minimum wage jobs I've always thought that the work gets easier and easier from there. Compensation and hard work are negativity correlated.

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> The demand for software most certainly has an upper limit. No, it does not. There is no ceiling for complexity.

Entropy makes sure that you can't scale systems into infinite completely.

We have thought that a few times with earlier technologies - a smaller chip requires less local reduction of entropy than a room sized computer. This may keep going for a long time yet.

Re: Replies to comments on my "LLMs are eroding my career" post

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In a perfect world, yes. However, the current tech world is akin to a flea market. Those who shout out more stand out more.

Surely you can judge people by results though?

How do you do that in practice though? You won't know the engineer is a con-man until after you have spent $$ and months into the process. Then you are in the position of trusting nobody.

Re: Replies to comments on my "LLMs are eroding my career" post

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> On novel work: > Work that introduces new methods, highly creative ideas, or solutions that have not been used or experienced before. More generally, an approach that introduces an innovative strategy to solve a complex problem. Something that I've been thinking about for the past year or so is coming to grips with the fact that the vast majority (anecdote) of software engineering work is not novel (and maybe that'…

This is spot on ! Most of the work we really do is pure boilerplate and should be automated. While there are instances of interesting work those are far and few in between . The most recent instance of "how the hell did they do that?" for me was duckdb.

Re: Replies to comments on my "LLMs are eroding my career" post

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In my social network, there are two people impacted by LLMs. One was a security operations manager whose company reduced headcount upon introduction of some new LLM powered security tools. The other was UX designer. Both have been unemployed for 6+ months, and neither are likely to land a job in their field. The government hasn't stepped in and provided them with Universal Basic Income, and I wonder what will happen when my career is similarly impacted? Luckily I'm on the verge of retirement and should be able to support myself. However I have other friends who tried to day trade their 401k instead of work, and although back in the workforce, no longer have a nest egg. What's going to happen to them when they're inevitably put to pasture by AI?

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> There is a visceral hate in the artistic community toward AI that doesn't really make sense to me tbh. Really? Have you seen how the CEOs marketed it and talked about people in that community? Artists hate it, because they listened to what AI community and leadership were openly saying. The weirdest thing on this all is how people find the hate puzzling considering initial rhetoric coming from the industry itself.…

Right? AI evangelists never seem to miss an opportunity to be clueless about this "Why do you guys hate AI so much? All I did was tell you it's so great that it makes your skills worthless and how glad I am that I won't need people like you around in the future to make art and designs. What's wrong with that?"

What I noticed was that it was not just about money. It is not like people could live out of art last decades anyway. Artists actually know it better then anyone. But the disdain toward things artistic people value and like was noticeable. Even when one has bad economic news, surely it should be possible to say then without being gleeful arrogant jerk. Which is exactly what the message was.

It is just ... we insulted those people, told them they are worthless, when they want to talk about things they like doing we tell them they should use AI and then we act all puzzled they hate us. How could that happen.

And you can see it again and again.

Re: Replies to comments on my "LLMs are eroding my career" post

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post #7

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> We should remember that the outside world care about things that work, not about how good they are inside sadly. Until they go wrong because they are not good inside.

I don’t know, I don’t think anyone really cares. I can’t unmute videos on Twitter/X on iOS, it’s been like that for over a year. I get a new disclosure that my data was leaked about every month. Palantir and possible Claude targeted a girl’s school for missile strikes. I still have to tell Claude what day or time it is right now sometimes, or it’ll give me medical advice for my dog and the dosing or some important nu…

> We’re in some weird stage of capitalism where everything is a grift and nobody really cares anymore.

I've felt this way for a long time now. There's no substance to anything anymore. The US economy feels like a more advanced Nigerian scam, where very few things that the US makes provides anything of actual value and substance. Americans just can't afford quality anymore. We decided we'd like to have significant amounts of garbage rather than fewer quality things. This change was likely due to revving the economy toward quarterly profit goals and GDP growth over everything else. Theoretically, prioritizing investments should have "trickled down" where companies could have more capital to invest in workers, R&Dand quality...but instead it all just got soaked up into executive pay and the stock market.

Re: Replies to comments on my "LLMs are eroding my career" post

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> I think in the future, those who succeed will be equivalent to wayfinders. In the future, those who succeed will be the owners of capital.

Past, Present, and Future. If you control the means of production you win. Knowledge, skill, and experience are largely irrelevant to the conversation. I’ve held this opinion for quite some time and would be interested to hear alternative perspectives.

> Past, Present, and Future. If you control the means of production you win.

Yeah, but we were talking about only success, not winning.

In the past and the present, you could succeed purely on a combination of skill, talent and labour. This approach looks like it will not work much longer.

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