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Re: OneDrive data now has an expiry date

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Post by Scroll_Swe »

wartywhoa23 wrote: post #45
bilekas wrote: post #18

One drive is an insanely poorly implemented solution to a problem nobody really had. For enterprise companies, ones I've worked in at least, they will auto sync the users folder /c/Users/(name) with one drive, but there is some weird alternative they have to set on the windows system to actually use a workspace for the user. So when I'm on site somewhere, and have no access to a network that's safe, I can't access fi…

>One drive is an insanely poorly implemented solution to a problem nobody really had. I highly doubt that the need to steal as much data and media from people to train AI was a problem nobody really had.

You are conflating private OneDrive with enterprise Office 365 Sharepoint based solution.

Also that came out 10-13 years ago... way before AI. Why are people on this site such midwits?

Re: OneDrive data now has an expiry date

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Post by isoprophlex »

liamwire wrote: post #21
bilekas wrote: post #18

One drive is an insanely poorly implemented solution to a problem nobody really had. For enterprise companies, ones I've worked in at least, they will auto sync the users folder /c/Users/(name) with one drive, but there is some weird alternative they have to set on the windows system to actually use a workspace for the user. So when I'm on site somewhere, and have no access to a network that's safe, I can't access fi…

Come on, a problem nobody really had? I wholeheartedly disagree. Data loss and the orthogonal problem of lacking free space on computers is/was a massive problem at enterprise scale and OneDrive, for all its many shortcomings, is well and truly into good-enough territory to cover the 80% case. I'd go so far as to argue that the scenario you've described is by far the less frequent one. And if it frustrates you, you'r…

Seems to me that if you want to experience data loss, Sharepoint is going to cover your needs just fine.

Re: OneDrive data now has an expiry date

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Post by Scroll_Swe »

pezgrande wrote: post #46
wartywhoa23 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>One drive is an insanely poorly implemented solution to a problem nobody really had. I highly doubt that the need to steal as much data and media from people to train AI was a problem nobody really had.

I'd guess it is more about making companies paying more and higher subs than training data.

Standard sub gives 1TB per user.

Laptop drives are still 256 or 512GB in office work.

No real need to pay for "higher subs"

Re: OneDrive data now has an expiry date

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Post by cm2187 »

bilekas wrote: post #18

One drive is an insanely poorly implemented solution to a problem nobody really had. For enterprise companies, ones I've worked in at least, they will auto sync the users folder /c/Users/(name) with one drive, but there is some weird alternative they have to set on the windows system to actually use a workspace for the user. So when I'm on site somewhere, and have no access to a network that's safe, I can't access fi…

Plus the sync results in so many errors and duplicates even on a personal drive with one machine that it is not fit for purpose.

Re: OneDrive data now has an expiry date

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Post by consp »

xnorswap wrote: post #48
cubefox wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Related story: I recently watched a new video by a well-known YouTuber whom I was subscribed to for years. Something was off with the video: the script sounded like LLM slop. It sounded as if the author provided some bullet points on the main content of the script, and then let the LLM "expand" on it, with its typical, overly verbose, mode-collapsed LLM style. Then the YouTuber seems to have added some light edits to…

I had something similar happen where someone linked a blog article, I thought it sounded like slop, especially since they were posting 2-3 articles a day, but I wasn't sure so I checked their back catalogue. I then saw they've always written like that, and always posted 2-3 articles a day, so I figured they're prolific and LLMs copied their style. Then I read their first post again, and realised I should check the wa…

Damn this is horrible. So the author chose to waste everyone's time by expanding with cow manure. I generally don't read much articles online anymore since they are all likely to contain slop unless authored by known non-slop users.

Re: OneDrive data now has an expiry date

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Post by mlnj »

skywhopper wrote: post #41
totetsu wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't sharepoint itself a cobbled together on top of Microsoft Exchange mailboxes?

Plus some WebDAV hacks via the MS Frontpage HTML editor! Truly great software engineering and design.

So it's MS products all the way down.

Re: OneDrive data now has an expiry date

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Post by bux93 »

reddalo wrote: post #14
pantulis wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AFAIK Sharepoint doesn't have these limitations. The idea is that in companies OneDrive should not be used for permanent stuff. Which is strange, to be granted, but after all using OneDrive for company documents basically means they are being shared out of some personal space that doesn't belong anywhere.

>shared out of some personal space that doesn't belong anywhere Do you care explaining this better? (moreover, to this day I still can't understand the difference between SharePoint and OneDrive -- if there's any)

Do you see "personal" and something that looks like your name in the path? That's your personal onedrive, like your home directory on a unix system.

See "sites" in the URL? That's a sharepoint site (AKA teams "shared" folder).

The former disappears (after a year) when the user license is removed. The latter is not associated with an individual user, so even if everyone in a team leaves the company it isn't just automatically removed.

Following was wrong and had been edited: The non-business personal onedrive was a box.com/dropbox/g-drive competitor. Microsoft moved its backend to Sharepoint at some time. (Onedrive for business used Sharepoint from the get-go). The integration of the personal drive, even though it's a descendent from the 'for business' product, is still quite unintuitive in my opinion.

Re: OneDrive data now has an expiry date

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Post by Dylan16807 »

hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #29
cube00 wrote: post #27

Retention and legal holds: Data can still be deleted even if a retention policy or legal hold is in place, unless licensing or billing is restored first. Do not rely on holds alone to protect unlicensed data. Surprising it doesn't automatically move into an admin or company lawyer's drive so it can be dealt with rather then a few notifications which will probably be missed and the data permanently deleted.

Don’t worry, you have ~30 days, that should be enough for you to audit your entire org. /s

That number has no connection to the actual system.

Re: OneDrive data now has an expiry date

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Post by Double_a_92 »

quietbritishjim wrote: post #28

"Your OneDrive data..." No, it's not my OneDrive data. What an infuriatingly click-bait title. It's OneDrive data for individaul user accounts at organisations that are unlicensed (probably, as the article says, for people that have left).

I'm also unsure what they wanted Microsoft to do. Just store data that apparently doesn't belong to anyone anymore forever?

Re: OneDrive data now has an expiry date

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Post by joe_mamba »

Scroll_Swe wrote: post #50
bilekas wrote: post #18

One drive is an insanely poorly implemented solution to a problem nobody really had. For enterprise companies, ones I've worked in at least, they will auto sync the users folder /c/Users/(name) with one drive, but there is some weird alternative they have to set on the windows system to actually use a workspace for the user. So when I'm on site somewhere, and have no access to a network that's safe, I can't access fi…

And as someone who worked and still works in IT support, users will not save to network drives, their machine will crash and files will be lost. YES, you can do GPO redirect desktop etc to network drive but needs a VPN and sync is also slow. OneDrive has solved this, like it or not. >So when I'm on site somewhere, and have no access to a network that's safe, I can't access files that are in my documents folder, pictu…

>And as someone who worked and still works in IT support, users will not save to network drives, their machine will crash and files will be lost. [...] OneDrive has solved this, like it or not.

In my previous job there was an app(by Dell EMC I think) that would run every day at lunch and backup all your user document folders to some company network drive. You could then view all your backup files in the webUI.

So network backup feels like a solved problem for decades now.

However, cloud is more than just a backup solution.

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