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Re: OneDrive data now has an expiry date

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Post by skywhopper »

totetsu wrote: post #38
PxldLtd wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole thing is a cobbled together bodge over SharePoint as a backend. I wouldn't ever trust my company data with that dogwater product. Back when I had to work with it I found a bug that could cause folders to become un-synced without you realising, meaning changes would not be tracked and cause merge-conflicts when it was fixed. Managed to use our Gold partner tickets to raise the issue with the product team, th…

Isn't sharepoint itself a cobbled together on top of Microsoft Exchange mailboxes?

Plus some WebDAV hacks via the MS Frontpage HTML editor! Truly great software engineering and design.

Re: OneDrive data now has an expiry date

#43

Post by cubefox »

xnorswap wrote: post #30
mrweasel wrote: post #10

> Let me paint a familiar picture. Someone leaves your organisation, or a licence gets removed as part of a cost-saving exercise. That's a rather weird way of phrasing it. It almost suggested that you shouldn't audit your license needs. Other than this was always the case, it's hard to see why data stored in a close account wouldn't get deleted.

It's LLM phraseology. It comes up with a scenario where it could be a problem ( license removal ), and then it generates why a license might get removed ( "cost-saving" ). It's not a person thinking, so there's no real thought to whether it is really a likely scenario, it's just something that sounds plausible. I read too many blogs, I've come to spot these phrases that trip a feeling of, "Wait, do people really do t…

Related story: I recently watched a new video by a well-known YouTuber whom I was subscribed to for years. Something was off with the video: the script sounded like LLM slop. It sounded as if the author provided some bullet points on the main content of the script, and then let the LLM "expand" on it, with its typical, overly verbose, mode-collapsed LLM style. Then the YouTuber seems to have added some light edits to the script himself because it did sound real occasionally.

This was just after a few minutes of video and I didn't finish watching it. At a quick glance, I didn't see anybody else pointing this out in the comments. Disappointing.

How can I be so certain about LLM usage after just a few minutes? It's both the fact that it sounded like slop, and the fact that I intuitively know his real writing style from past years, and it simply sounded very different this time.

An article about OneDrive being substantially LLM written is sort of okay (who cares about OneDrive by some Office365 blog), but if people you thought you like resort to these methods I feel betrayed.

Re: OneDrive data now has an expiry date

#44

Post by zamadatix »

bilekas wrote: post #24
liamwire wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Come on, a problem nobody really had? I wholeheartedly disagree. Data loss and the orthogonal problem of lacking free space on computers is/was a massive problem at enterprise scale and OneDrive, for all its many shortcomings, is well and truly into good-enough territory to cover the 80% case. I'd go so far as to argue that the scenario you've described is by far the less frequent one. And if it frustrates you, you'r…

Data loss and storage is always a challenge, that's why companies will have network drives, network storage that's not strongly coupled with your account acess. OneDrive doesn't solve the problem in a clean way. It adds an extra layer of brittleness.

Network drives mean no local retention and no real good answer for Windows+Mac+Android+iOS clients to remotely access the files. It also doesn't solve sharing those files externally with granular permissions.

All of these kinds things need protection against data loss and centralized control+management, not just the user folder alone.

Re: OneDrive data now has an expiry date

#45

Post by wartywhoa23 »

bilekas wrote: post #18

One drive is an insanely poorly implemented solution to a problem nobody really had. For enterprise companies, ones I've worked in at least, they will auto sync the users folder /c/Users/(name) with one drive, but there is some weird alternative they have to set on the windows system to actually use a workspace for the user. So when I'm on site somewhere, and have no access to a network that's safe, I can't access fi…

>One drive is an insanely poorly implemented solution to a problem nobody really had.

I highly doubt that the need to steal as much data and media from people to train AI was a problem nobody really had.

Re: OneDrive data now has an expiry date

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Post by pezgrande »

wartywhoa23 wrote: post #45
bilekas wrote: post #18

One drive is an insanely poorly implemented solution to a problem nobody really had. For enterprise companies, ones I've worked in at least, they will auto sync the users folder /c/Users/(name) with one drive, but there is some weird alternative they have to set on the windows system to actually use a workspace for the user. So when I'm on site somewhere, and have no access to a network that's safe, I can't access fi…

>One drive is an insanely poorly implemented solution to a problem nobody really had. I highly doubt that the need to steal as much data and media from people to train AI was a problem nobody really had.

I'd guess it is more about making companies paying more and higher subs than training data.

Re: OneDrive data now has an expiry date

#47

Post by amarcheschi »

PxldLtd wrote: post #26
bilekas wrote: post #18

One drive is an insanely poorly implemented solution to a problem nobody really had. For enterprise companies, ones I've worked in at least, they will auto sync the users folder /c/Users/(name) with one drive, but there is some weird alternative they have to set on the windows system to actually use a workspace for the user. So when I'm on site somewhere, and have no access to a network that's safe, I can't access fi…

The whole thing is a cobbled together bodge over SharePoint as a backend. I wouldn't ever trust my company data with that dogwater product. Back when I had to work with it I found a bug that could cause folders to become un-synced without you realising, meaning changes would not be tracked and cause merge-conflicts when it was fixed. Managed to use our Gold partner tickets to raise the issue with the product team, th…

The university I attend uses SharePoint, classroom and moodle for various courses.

SharePoint is by far the worst piece of software I've ever used. Like, there's no mental model to be done, not intuitive, not working, files disappear from time to time, and I could go on for hours

Re: OneDrive data now has an expiry date

#48

Post by xnorswap »

cubefox wrote: post #43
xnorswap wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's LLM phraseology. It comes up with a scenario where it could be a problem ( license removal ), and then it generates why a license might get removed ( "cost-saving" ). It's not a person thinking, so there's no real thought to whether it is really a likely scenario, it's just something that sounds plausible. I read too many blogs, I've come to spot these phrases that trip a feeling of, "Wait, do people really do t…

Related story: I recently watched a new video by a well-known YouTuber whom I was subscribed to for years. Something was off with the video: the script sounded like LLM slop. It sounded as if the author provided some bullet points on the main content of the script, and then let the LLM "expand" on it, with its typical, overly verbose, mode-collapsed LLM style. Then the YouTuber seems to have added some light edits to…

I had something similar happen where someone linked a blog article, I thought it sounded like slop, especially since they were posting 2-3 articles a day, but I wasn't sure so I checked their back catalogue.

I then saw they've always written like that, and always posted 2-3 articles a day, so I figured they're prolific and LLMs copied their style.

Then I read their first post again, and realised I should check the wayback machine.

Sure enough, they had gone through their entire post history, and had rewritten it with an LLM, to make it less obvious when they started using them.

Now, this was always a bit of a junk site, a knock-off Boing Boing, but it seems incredible to me that someone would replace their original posts with AI gen.

Surely it destroys any reputation you might have?

A site they've been running for nearly 20 years, overwritten by slop.

Compare:

Original: https://web.archive.org/web/20191017113113/https://www.geeky...

Rewritten slop: https://www.geeky-gadgets.com/metal-detecting-sandals/

Re: OneDrive data now has an expiry date

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Post by Scroll_Swe »

bilekas wrote: post #24
liamwire wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Come on, a problem nobody really had? I wholeheartedly disagree. Data loss and the orthogonal problem of lacking free space on computers is/was a massive problem at enterprise scale and OneDrive, for all its many shortcomings, is well and truly into good-enough territory to cover the 80% case. I'd go so far as to argue that the scenario you've described is by far the less frequent one. And if it frustrates you, you'r…

Data loss and storage is always a challenge, that's why companies will have network drives, network storage that's not strongly coupled with your account acess. OneDrive doesn't solve the problem in a clean way. It adds an extra layer of brittleness.

And as someone who worked and still works in IT support, users will not save to network drives, their machine will crash and files will be lost.

YES, you can do GPO redirect desktop etc to network drive but needs a VPN and sync is also slow.

OneDrive has solved this, like it or not.

Re: OneDrive data now has an expiry date

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Post by Scroll_Swe »

bilekas wrote: post #18

One drive is an insanely poorly implemented solution to a problem nobody really had. For enterprise companies, ones I've worked in at least, they will auto sync the users folder /c/Users/(name) with one drive, but there is some weird alternative they have to set on the windows system to actually use a workspace for the user. So when I'm on site somewhere, and have no access to a network that's safe, I can't access fi…

And as someone who worked and still works in IT support, users will not save to network drives, their machine will crash and files will be lost.

YES, you can do GPO redirect desktop etc to network drive but needs a VPN and sync is also slow.

OneDrive has solved this, like it or not.

>So when I'm on site somewhere, and have no access to a network that's safe, I can't access files that are in my documents folder, pictures or desktop.. when I never asked OneDrive to lift and shift my days off my machine.

Probably enterprise config. Standard OneDrive office 365 enterprise with SharePoint can absolutely work over the "normal internet", you don't need a "network that's safe" whatever that means. VPN? Anyway the big office 365 win was it will work over the normal internet without running /owa open on your exchange server.

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