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Re: Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries

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Steam is also a child gambling company that sells loot boxes to kids but it could be a lot worse. From the perspective of someone getting ripped off it doesn't matter whether it was Gaben who scammed you, but he and his empire could still be a lot worse overall. You're allowed to say what you just said in that post without getting taken away at night and your family never talking about you again. Or a drone taking yo…

> You're allowed to say what you just said in that post without getting taken away at night and your family never talking about you again. Or a drone taking you out while you sleep. Palantir logs all our comments and it would be trivially easy for them if there weren't still some lingering democratic handrails holding them back.

I don't live in the US. The US is not going to start a war with my country to kill some random internet commenter for criticising them, even if they could identify me. They certainly will arrest Americans for speaking out[1], but although the domestic situation is becoming even worse than it already was, it was never anything like your propaganda would have you believe. The American government slaughtered students for protesting the Vietnam War[2] and yet the brainwashed masses can't stop boasting about how free their country is, it would be funny if it weren't so pathetic.

[1]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47342776 [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings

> As someone who apparently reads leftist theory

You don't need to read leftist theory to be opposed to American imperialism, you simply need to not be American, or else be a non-nationalist American with a conscience (exceedingly rare, I am aware). I do understand that it is difficult for American commenters to conceive that they could be speaking to someone who is not American, given the usual belief that the US is the center of the universe.

> also typing on a computer on HN, so you're a "beneficiary of the empire" regardless of where you live

Speaking of which, "computers/the internet wouldn't have been invented if not for the US" is a classically arrogant American thing to say.

Re: Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries

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Yeeeah I'm pretty sure I've never seen a hard R on a PR.

I'm guessing they are referring to a certain synonym for idiot/moron/imbecile/cretin/dolt/etc. which fell off the euphemistic treadmill

That would be the “Linus Sebastian misconception”

Re: Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries

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Calm down, he meant civilians. No need to stir up drama.

Civilians have died by the tens of thousands in these wars, starting long before random gamers far from the killing and dying started having connection issues

Re: Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries

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Regular people here are as opposed to military servicemen. The people who did not sign up for going to war.

Civilians have died by the tens of thousands in these wars, starting long before random gamers far from the killing and dying started having connection issues

Re: Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries

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Fair enough. Edited for clarity.

That's not what I meant. Civilians have died by the tens of thousands in these wars, starting long before random gamers far from the frontlines started having connection issues

Re: Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries

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We do P2P in our networking software and this is why we do it all in band instead of using STUN, TURN, or other common methods. Those get blocked and they’re also often insecure. STUN has mitigations now against being weaponized but it’s still a shit protocol. The fact that neither STUN nor TURN contain any way whatsoever to accomplish any kind of rendezvous without yet another signaling path boggles my mind given ho…

> The fact that neither STUN nor TURN contain any way whatsoever to accomplish any kind of rendezvous without yet another signaling path boggles my mind Interesting. Can you expound on this a bit? How does ZeroTier do it?

ZeroTier has "roots," which are nodes that relay packets and also tell you what your IP info is. Everyone in the world connects to a pool of these.

Other than relaying and STUN-like IP info reflection, they're dumb and do very little. They can't see your traffic or other information or even what virtual networks you're on.

Once both sides learn their external info, they communicate via the root to arrange P2P rendezvous. If both have IPv6 they use that, but still do a hole punch due to stateful firewalls. But with V6 it works almost 100% of the time. If one or both have V4, they do more cumbersome V4 hole punch maneuvers.

Our next-gen product, which is still in pre-release and has been shown only to some enterprise customers, is called ZeroTier Quantum. It's called that cause it's built on PQC (pqNoise to be exact) but it's also a full-scale reengineering of the whole system. But it still uses very similar techniques. Everything is in-band. No STUN, TURN, or even DNS dependencies.

Re: Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries

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Calm down, he meant civilians. No need to stir up drama.

Civilians have died by the tens of thousands in these wars, starting long before random gamers far from the killing and dying started having connection issues

That has NOTHING to do what's being discussed here. Stop trying to escalate the topic.

Re: Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries

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Totally agreed. I'm building a Steam competitor, that's web-based (WebGPU/WASM) as well as cross-platform. Light on games atm, but the goal is to replicate over time virtually every feature Steam has to offer, as well as more. You can check out a preview of the portal here: https://gameselect-knvxf8av.manus.space/

What lets you host Monkeyball like that. Are you going to port Xonotic to WASM?

He already did lol, just didn't update the main website. Doesn't work very well for me, but it's something.

https://www.reddit.com/r/xonotic/comments/1tyqx5w/i_ported_x...

Re: Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries

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this looks like not Valve issue. the problems noted seem to indicate only countries which very aggressivly scan and filter connections. P2p is very sensitive to this.

SDR is a relay network, and encrypted, so like onionrouting etc.

its well known malicious actors can abuse it by publishing a p2p game and running coms over SDR via that game...

you can imagine that people want to inspect this traffic in these regions..

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