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Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries

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Re: Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries

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Post by CursedSilicon »

gacgacgac wrote: post #19

My unpopular opinion: Valve is basically a parasite or a landlord. They've been so successful it's hard to imagine a world without them, and they say "you gotta give the parasite its due" and we believe them and comply. It's been kept around because they treat their customers ok, but they absolutely exsanguinate their developers. And their engineering culture is... odd. They hire senior people and then let them all f…

I'd question the idea that they treat developers poorly. Epic Games Store exists and Famously beats Steam (and others) over the head by charging only a 12% fee

Hell, they even buy timed exclusive access to certain games

And yet. Steam persists

Re: Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries

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Post by astlouis44 »

gacgacgac wrote: post #19

My unpopular opinion: Valve is basically a parasite or a landlord. They've been so successful it's hard to imagine a world without them, and they say "you gotta give the parasite its due" and we believe them and comply. It's been kept around because they treat their customers ok, but they absolutely exsanguinate their developers. And their engineering culture is... odd. They hire senior people and then let them all f…

Totally agreed. I'm building a Steam competitor, that's web-based (WebGPU/WASM) as well as cross-platform. Light on games atm, but the goal is to replicate over time virtually every feature Steam has to offer, as well as more. You can check out a preview of the portal here:

https://gameselect-knvxf8av.manus.space/

Re: Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries

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Post by nine_k »

underdeserver wrote: post #29
nine_k wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regular people here are as opposed to military servicemen. The people who did not sign up for going to war.

These are dudes, likely some of them teenagers, playing Street Fighter and Tekken. Who signed up for what?

The network shenanigans that apparently affect the p2p gaming is allegedly by the militaries of many countries, related to the Iran war. Much like GPS disturbancs in Northern and Eastern Europe are due to the war in Ukraine. Dudes delivering pizza have to suffer them, even though they never signed up to take part in the war.

Re: Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries

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Post by duckduckman »

Georgelemental wrote: post #25
duckduckman wrote: post #24

I think what we’re seeing here isnt Valve messing up but rather the middle east conflict expanded to cyberspace and spilling over to impact civilians. Look at the timing and affected countries. China isnt also exactly known for free internet. WebRTC works as fallback. WebRTC is encrypted and cant be used for much else. STUN in the otherhand is unencrypted and the protocol itself can be used for DDoS reflection/amplif…

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Fair enough. Edited for clarity.

Re: Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries

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Post by ars »

duckduckman wrote: post #24

I think what we’re seeing here isnt Valve messing up but rather the middle east conflict expanded to cyberspace and spilling over to impact civilians. Look at the timing and affected countries. China isnt also exactly known for free internet. WebRTC works as fallback. WebRTC is encrypted and cant be used for much else. STUN in the otherhand is unencrypted and the protocol itself can be used for DDoS reflection/amplif…

I think you have that backwards, WebRTC doesn't work, and STUN does.

Re: Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries

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Post by cedws »

jofzar wrote: post #5

I know I'm just preaching to the choir here but my favourite thing about open source/published source libraries/applications is discussions on bug reports/pr's like this. It's just something so heartwarming of multiple people coming together to describe their symptoms, workarounds and theories of what could be causing it.

GitHub discussions used to be so much higher quality though when the platform was for professionals. Now, I see so many discussions that devolve into practically being reddit/4chan threads. Another reason to leave.

Re: Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries

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Post by philistine »

mhitza wrote: post #23
komali2 wrote: post #15

Valve fascinates me because the devs there occasionally seem to be simply the best on earth in a given field, but despite that, bizarre bugs will persist for a long time. My favorite was how steam in home streaming from a PC to a steam deck wouldn't work if the steam deck had an Ethernet and wifi connection - one of the connections had to be disabled or the stream would always crash. Maybe they need a few average dev…

My favorite bug family, that somehow to sneak in every time, is how their react frontend (or whatever the store runs) manages to semi-crash and the controller inputs are no longer recognized. I kind of hope at least they'll fix such issues permanently before the steam machine release.

That is the bane of my existence. Steam's UI is so slow to react due to its web roots, that I feel like people must be insane to think that Steam is somehow this great app. It's terrible.

I shop on GOG.

Re: Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries

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Post by OsrsNeedsf2P »

cedws wrote: post #36
jofzar wrote: post #5

I know I'm just preaching to the choir here but my favourite thing about open source/published source libraries/applications is discussions on bug reports/pr's like this. It's just something so heartwarming of multiple people coming together to describe their symptoms, workarounds and theories of what could be causing it.

GitHub discussions used to be so much higher quality though when the platform was for professionals. Now, I see so many discussions that devolve into practically being reddit/4chan threads. Another reason to leave.

I feel like it's gotten more professional. 10+ years ago people were dropping the hard R in pull request reviews, now everyone is acting like LinkedIn-speak and Stars will get them their next job

Re: Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries

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Post by sph »

cedws wrote: post #36
jofzar wrote: post #5

I know I'm just preaching to the choir here but my favourite thing about open source/published source libraries/applications is discussions on bug reports/pr's like this. It's just something so heartwarming of multiple people coming together to describe their symptoms, workarounds and theories of what could be causing it.

GitHub discussions used to be so much higher quality though when the platform was for professionals. Now, I see so many discussions that devolve into practically being reddit/4chan threads. Another reason to leave.

Only on those posted to social media including Hacker News. There is no devolving into memes for niche discussions only interested parties know about.

Don’t blame Github for getting spammed whenever an issue reaches the front page.

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