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I design with Claude more than Figma now

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Re: I design with Claude more than Figma now

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Post by throwaway98797 »

slyzmud wrote: post #183
gwerbin wrote: post #162

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I have seen this already. Vibecoded top to bottom. The downside is that the business people don't understand why you can't just put their app in production as is. And then there's a lot of pressure to make it happen quickly "because we can use AI to move fast". This is going to come down to healthy organization dynamics, and hopefully represents a learning opportunity for leadership. The upside is that the idea has a…

I've working on a small side project with a non technical friend for a couple months. It's really small but we are selling it to some clients. The other day my friend discovered lovable and vibe coded an entire app and he started feeling like I was scamming him. Why would I take weeks or months in building our app if he could do it on hours? He might be stubborn but ended up blindly believing me, but I couldn't find…

let them launch and fail

it’s the only way they learn

Re: I design with Claude more than Figma now

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Post by throwaway98797 »

dominotw wrote: post #188
frde_me wrote: post #174

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I honestly much prefer this to the old way where the only mode of communication was speech or text. I now often understand a lot more holistically what the person coming with their product wants with just a demo + a conversation. Of course you need the person making that vibe product to understand it's just a mockup of their idea and that it'll change. But I would argue this has always been a necessary quality for a…

thats really sad that only way you can understand something is with pictures and demos. like a little toddler. when they already come up with a working model it doesnt really leave any room for abstract thought because now you are in concerte world . They see you as a machine that turns mocks into impls ( maybe you youself see yourself like that). its ok if you see yourself as a code monkey monkey doing menial job of…

no business person will ever want to consider the right tradeoffs without being forced to

the ai making assumptions can’t get it right

Re: I design with Claude more than Figma now

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Post by alfirous »

luka2233 wrote: post #148
wartywhoa23 wrote: post #14

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The whole HN is one huge AI ad now.

I was literally reading through another thread[0] where the OP claimed that HN is anti-AI. I guess HN is decently balanced afterall? [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48420827

And the comments you reply to prove the point made by Dang.

Re: I design with Claude more than Figma now

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Post by ymolodtsov »

tock wrote: post #129
ymolodtsov wrote: post #96

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Not all countries and their regulatory bodies are equal.

Have you actually looked into the allegations and the response from Jane Street? By your logic companies can commit any fraud in India because if they get caught you can just say: hey cant trust the country.

I think you tried to narrow down my general statement. What I'm saying is: not all countries and their regulatory bodies are equal. India is a pretty top-down country with quite a protectionist policy.

Re: I design with Claude more than Figma now

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Post by frde_me »

dominotw wrote: post #188
frde_me wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I honestly much prefer this to the old way where the only mode of communication was speech or text. I now often understand a lot more holistically what the person coming with their product wants with just a demo + a conversation. Of course you need the person making that vibe product to understand it's just a mockup of their idea and that it'll change. But I would argue this has always been a necessary quality for a…

thats really sad that only way you can understand something is with pictures and demos. like a little toddler. when they already come up with a working model it doesnt really leave any room for abstract thought because now you are in concerte world . They see you as a machine that turns mocks into impls ( maybe you youself see yourself like that). its ok if you see yourself as a code monkey monkey doing menial job of…

I can understand words, but having more diverse medias for communication lets a person express strictly more than before.

Sometimes words are better, sometimes a visual demo is better.

Is your solution to the problem you presented that you should artificially restrict what a person can express just to keep your own personal moat?

I prefer the alternative, let a person express themselves and grow thanks to AI, while keeping the necessary culture and boundaries to where it's also accepted for _me_ to cross boundaries and express my ideas to them in the same way. Or suggest other ways to express those ideas.

We then become a marketplace of ideas in a much deeper sense than before, where product managers would already expect you to implement what they want, but without them being able to convey it properly.

If I didn't have original ideas and didn't think I could compete in that marketplace of ideas, I would be scared like you convey in your message. But I'm confident that my value is not about translating things into code, it's because I have original thoughts I can convey to other people (and to AIs). (and about understanding architecture and systems to a degree that keeps me valuable even if all the code itself is written by AI without my direct involvement)

Re: I design with Claude more than Figma now

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Post by toyg »

josephg wrote: post #186
toyg wrote: post #95

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I've been playing with local models for some time, and I've been pleasantly surprised of late. A meager rtx 5080 with 16gb can give pretty good results now. The ecosystem is also improving pretty quickly. I have a feeling at some point we will have a "Windows 95" moment (when computing really became personal for the masses) in AI, and things will significantly change shape again.

What local model do you recommend these days? I’ve got a 4090, mostly sitting idle.

qwen 3.5 with 9b is being a pretty decent workhorse for me, even with context around 4k.

Re: I design with Claude more than Figma now

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Post by micromacrofoot »

designerarvid wrote: post #175
micromacrofoot wrote: post #173

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having an llm produce code isn't learning how to code, it's learning how to use a tool to produce code maybe that doesn't matter though, I suspect many developers will no longer look at all the code they produce either

Many nuances and “it depends” here in my experience. Is learning git part of “learning to code”? Some learn, others don’t. Of course hammering away prompts aren’t learning at all.

indeed, I know some great developers that use git but haven't ever learned it

Re: I design with Claude more than Figma now

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Post by slyzmud »

9rx wrote: post #187
slyzmud wrote: post #183

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I've working on a small side project with a non technical friend for a couple months. It's really small but we are selling it to some clients. The other day my friend discovered lovable and vibe coded an entire app and he started feeling like I was scamming him. Why would I take weeks or months in building our app if he could do it on hours? He might be stubborn but ended up blindly believing me, but I couldn't find…

Show it. Pick a missed edge case or breaking point in his app and demonstrate the pain the customer is going to encounter. You don't have to live in the realm of hypotheticals. He has given you a concrete, but flawed, implementation that offers proof of your message.

I did it and he "fixed" it with AI, making him even more convinced of it.

I'm pretty sure something else must have broken but didn't see it immediately.

I guess eventually it will fall from its own weight but I'm surprised how far he was able to get.

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