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I design with Claude more than Figma now

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Re: I design with Claude more than Figma now

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Post by lelanthran »

_zoltan_ wrote: post #109
kcrwfrd_ wrote: post #17

We are doing this on my team (I am the frontend engineer) and honestly I really miss the old way of doing things. Written specifications are being reduced in favor of these working prototypes, and now there’s this extra cognitive burden of reading the code and trying to determine what were the intended changes, and what’s the slop that needs to be tossed aside. We also have to figure out, should we take over this gen…

The code is not meant to be read anymore. That's the mistake. Do you look at generated assembly that comes out of your compiler? You don't. So why are you looking at this code? We have pushed up the abstraction layer.

> We have pushed up the abstraction layer.

That's not what "abstraction" means. You wouldn't hire a designer and then call their work an "abstraction", would you?

It's something, but "abstraction" it aint.

Re: I design with Claude more than Figma now

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Post by OtomotO »

greenchair wrote: post #165
OtomotO wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't particularly care about the US or US politics since 2016. Unless you invade a country again and we have to deal with the Fallout for years to come, that is. For example: I have banned all news about Trump administration from my home. It's simply not interesting. He is a toddler, and I have a toddler of my own.

What the leader of the free world says or does is definitely interesting to us.

Not to me. He turns around and changes his opinion more often than his underwear.

And he is not the leader of the free world.

Not since they bombed Vietnam.

Re: I design with Claude more than Figma now

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Post by slyzmud »

gwerbin wrote: post #162
sfjailbird wrote: post #154

We already have the business side come with requirements in the form of 'solutions' that they have thought up, which more often than not are Rube Golberg-esque contraptions, that you have to conversationally reverse engineer to arrive at the actual requirements. In the future they will come with their 'ready' solution, already 'working' and be even less receptive to look at design and architecture holistically. Just…

I have seen this already. Vibecoded top to bottom. The downside is that the business people don't understand why you can't just put their app in production as is. And then there's a lot of pressure to make it happen quickly "because we can use AI to move fast". This is going to come down to healthy organization dynamics, and hopefully represents a learning opportunity for leadership. The upside is that the idea has a…

I've working on a small side project with a non technical friend for a couple months. It's really small but we are selling it to some clients.

The other day my friend discovered lovable and vibe coded an entire app and he started feeling like I was scamming him. Why would I take weeks or months in building our app if he could do it on hours?

He might be stubborn but ended up blindly believing me, but I couldn't find a good way of explaining that a prototype wasn't a final product. It has lots of errors, doesn't consider edge cases and it's impossible to fix if something breaks. Of course what I said didn't mean much because he didn't understand what I was talking about.

How do you communicate this problem? That there's much more than what you see in a frontend? Seems really hard to explain to non technical people.

Re: I design with Claude more than Figma now

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Post by gwerbin »

slyzmud wrote: post #183
gwerbin wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have seen this already. Vibecoded top to bottom. The downside is that the business people don't understand why you can't just put their app in production as is. And then there's a lot of pressure to make it happen quickly "because we can use AI to move fast". This is going to come down to healthy organization dynamics, and hopefully represents a learning opportunity for leadership. The upside is that the idea has a…

I've working on a small side project with a non technical friend for a couple months. It's really small but we are selling it to some clients. The other day my friend discovered lovable and vibe coded an entire app and he started feeling like I was scamming him. Why would I take weeks or months in building our app if he could do it on hours? He might be stubborn but ended up blindly believing me, but I couldn't find…

It's the same problem we've had all along though, right? Maybe it's magnified now but the essence of the confusion is the same.

Re: I design with Claude more than Figma now

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Post by illwrks »

designerarvid wrote: post #33

The benefit here is designers learning to code. It was always weird to me that designers were shaping software without knowing how it was built. I'm a designer btw. However, designing in code is technology-first. One could argue that the purpose of design - to shape the artifacts for human purpose - is better done NOT starting with the strict rules of code. Pen and paper is still hard to beat, not for anything that l…

You need designers that have worked closely with engineers and have their head screwed on.

Re: I design with Claude more than Figma now

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Post by josephg »

toyg wrote: post #95
kennywinker wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can create anything you need as long as what you need is a disposable script, a scotch-taped together single page app, or a complex problem and you have thousands of dollars to throw at tokens.

I've been playing with local models for some time, and I've been pleasantly surprised of late. A meager rtx 5080 with 16gb can give pretty good results now. The ecosystem is also improving pretty quickly. I have a feeling at some point we will have a "Windows 95" moment (when computing really became personal for the masses) in AI, and things will significantly change shape again.

What local model do you recommend these days? I’ve got a 4090, mostly sitting idle.

Re: I design with Claude more than Figma now

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Post by 9rx »

slyzmud wrote: post #183
gwerbin wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have seen this already. Vibecoded top to bottom. The downside is that the business people don't understand why you can't just put their app in production as is. And then there's a lot of pressure to make it happen quickly "because we can use AI to move fast". This is going to come down to healthy organization dynamics, and hopefully represents a learning opportunity for leadership. The upside is that the idea has a…

I've working on a small side project with a non technical friend for a couple months. It's really small but we are selling it to some clients. The other day my friend discovered lovable and vibe coded an entire app and he started feeling like I was scamming him. Why would I take weeks or months in building our app if he could do it on hours? He might be stubborn but ended up blindly believing me, but I couldn't find…

Show it. Pick a missed edge case or breaking point in his app and demonstrate the pain the customer is going to encounter. You don't have to live in the realm of hypotheticals. He has given you a concrete, but flawed, implementation that offers proof of your message.

Re: I design with Claude more than Figma now

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Post by dominotw »

frde_me wrote: post #174
sfjailbird wrote: post #154

We already have the business side come with requirements in the form of 'solutions' that they have thought up, which more often than not are Rube Golberg-esque contraptions, that you have to conversationally reverse engineer to arrive at the actual requirements. In the future they will come with their 'ready' solution, already 'working' and be even less receptive to look at design and architecture holistically. Just…

I honestly much prefer this to the old way where the only mode of communication was speech or text. I now often understand a lot more holistically what the person coming with their product wants with just a demo + a conversation. Of course you need the person making that vibe product to understand it's just a mockup of their idea and that it'll change. But I would argue this has always been a necessary quality for a…

thats really sad that only way you can understand something is with pictures and demos. like a little toddler.

when they already come up with a working model it doesnt really leave any room for abstract thought because now you are in concerte world . They see you as a machine that turns mocks into impls ( maybe you youself see yourself like that).

its ok if you see yourself as a code monkey monkey doing menial job of implementing someones mockup. But that job wont be here long and you will be on the streets holding "can turn working mocks to production code for food" signs.

honestly your attitude scares me more than some business guy building crap in lovable.

Re: I design with Claude more than Figma now

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Post by polyterative »

designerarvid wrote: post #33

The benefit here is designers learning to code. It was always weird to me that designers were shaping software without knowing how it was built. I'm a designer btw. However, designing in code is technology-first. One could argue that the purpose of design - to shape the artifacts for human purpose - is better done NOT starting with the strict rules of code. Pen and paper is still hard to beat, not for anything that l…

I've been a full stack and frontend focused engineer for six years and got sick of writing code by hand. Moved to design. Now since I can code with my voice basically I'm getting back into vibe coding and building products. And it's awesome. My bosses still trying to figure out the new situation though, i think the old school separation of roles is starting to die.Being on the intersection I think is the best place to be right now. I feel like my whole life I've been preparing for this moment.
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