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Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints

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Re: Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints

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Post by mannanj »

KnuthIsGod wrote: post #23

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BtW it is at least partially fake news. Or engineered and coopted by powerful interests. I've personally reversed my own prediabetes, and helped my mom manage her own with a diet change. (yes it consisted of avoiding seed oils).

No a brainwashed populace that believes doctors are whom you are supposed to get nutrition advice from, or that believes an industry that profits off of sick people who has their hands in the funding funnels and mainstream media and astroturfing accounts here on hacker news like you is going to look out for their best interest, that populace not going to believe that.

That's ok. Let those of us not tribalizing and astroturfing take back our health and dignity and agency and autonomy in caring for ourselves.

Re: Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

mbmbn wrote: post #144
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #103

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> they would do it outside the premises at the entrance to the building If they were distributing fliers, sure. They weren’t. They were distributing an article published in the conference organizer’s own journal. That’s what academics do at conferences! > risk losing all funding They’ve already lost the funding. That’s what is being pointed out. OMB is using accounting shenanigans to circumvent the will of the Congre…

They were actually distributing an opinion piece titled “Misguided Brushes of a Pen Continue to Dismantle and Destroy Biomedical Research in the United States: We Can No Longer Afford Complacency and Fear. We Must All Act Now!” They weren’t distributing a scientific article. Link: https://diabetesjournals.org/care/article/49/6/901/164764/Mi...

It’s an editorial published in the journal of the conference organizer. Calling it an “opinion piece” is incorrect—the journal is still publishing it as part of its proceedings.

Astronomical journals frequently have articles going through the economics of various telescope proposals. The analogy would be someone in management at one of those conferences with an economic stake in one of the telescopes forbidding that team from distributing its work while others continue to do so.

It’s obviously a breach of any reasonable code of conduct. It’s obviously a departure from precedent. And it would make anyone outside that conference really curious about the specific allegations raised in the quashed paper.

Re: Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints

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Post by throwaway173738 »

joemazerino wrote: post #130
like_any_other wrote: post #126

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One man's censorship is another man's social justice and equity policy.

No, it’s not. You shouldn’t have to muzzle your opposition to feel safe, or to threaten them with jailing to feel like your ideas are being heard. That speaks to some pretty deep seated insecurity if you feel that way.

Re: Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints

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Post by noelsusman »

zdragnar wrote: post #149
adrian_b wrote: post #67

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Their so-called "protest" was just distributing an article already published in the journal of the medical association to which this conference is attached, which probably discussed matters of interest for the attendance, like the future of research financing in this domain. I can hardly think of a more peaceful form of protest, which only intended to make aware the participants about the content of the article. Thos…

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They removed him due to fear of reprisal from the federal government. How could that have nothing to do with free speech?

Re: Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints

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Post by throwaway173738 »

40four wrote: post #145
mcphage wrote: post #65

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> given the opportunity to cease this behavior What behavior exactly were they being given an opportunity to cease?

Ask the American Diabetes Association. Their conference, their rules. Do people really believe the ADA is a puppet of the administration?

No, they published their rules ahead of time. When you do that you can’t just go and make up new rules on the spot. That’s a central tenet of “the rule of law” that the rules are written down so we can interpret them.

Re: Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

zdragnar wrote: post #149
adrian_b wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their so-called "protest" was just distributing an article already published in the journal of the medical association to which this conference is attached, which probably discussed matters of interest for the attendance, like the future of research financing in this domain. I can hardly think of a more peaceful form of protest, which only intended to make aware the participants about the content of the article. Thos…

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> This has nothing to do whatsoever with free speech

Freedom of speech is a philosophical concept broader than the First Amendment.

The conference organizers broke their own code of conduct to censor this article’s distribution. That violates principles of free speech. If they did it at the behest of a government official, that would be a First Amendment issue. We don’t have any evidence of that right now, but it isn’t a question which has been seriously investigated yet.

Re: Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints

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Post by trumpdong »

throwaway173738 wrote: post #153
joemazerino wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One man's censorship is another man's social justice and equity policy.

No, it’s not. You shouldn’t have to muzzle your opposition to feel safe, or to threaten them with jailing to feel like your ideas are being heard. That speaks to some pretty deep seated insecurity if you feel that way.

Does this advice apply in every case or does it have a restricted scope?

Re: Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

ciupicri wrote: post #143
wyldfire wrote: post #106

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It's not like the article is indirectly related to the subject of the conference. It is critical of the government, but not in the "human rights abuses of this administration threaten us all" way (though even that seems reasonable to discuss). Is it your position that if an article is critical of a world government it must not be discussed at a scientific conference? Or even "you should expect to get ejected from a c…

If Adria Richards and PyCon can make a such fuss about a joke [1], then other conferences can do the same about current political events. I personally wouldn't mind or better said I wouldn't be offended because the topic might be boring for me. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donglegate

> If Adria Richards and PyCon can make a such fuss about a joke

Your takeaway from Donglegate was that Richards was in the right?

Re: Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints

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Post by timmytokyo »

mannanj wrote: post #151
KnuthIsGod wrote: post #23

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BtW it is at least partially fake news. Or engineered and coopted by powerful interests. I've personally reversed my own prediabetes, and helped my mom manage her own with a diet change. (yes it consisted of avoiding seed oils). No a brainwashed populace that believes doctors are whom you are supposed to get nutrition advice from, or that believes an industry that profits off of sick people who has their hands in the…

Yes, let's all do our own research, abetted by brilliant men of science like Joe Rogan and RFK Jr.
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