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Re: Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

danaris wrote: post #139
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #82

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> do not engage with the rhetoric of the enemy. You cannot win an argument where they set the rules Strongly disagree. If they went straight up partisan at the conference, I’d be sympathetic to the notion of throwing them out. Not every space needs to be a protest venue. They didn’t do that. They distributed an article published in the organization’s own journal. They argue why what they did cannot reasonably be cons…

Everything is a partisan space now. Because the fascists made it so. Anywhere you try to declare an apolitical space is just a place where silence is serving the oppressor.

Right. This is sort of what I would be sympathetic with a diabetes-conference organizer drawing the line on, and why I suspect they’ve had a no-protest code of conduct for years.

Re: Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints

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Post by tapoxi »

joemazerino wrote: post #127
roenxi wrote: post #56

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This might be reading too much in to minor drama at a diabetes conference. The gentleman in question could have gone to protest outside (and probably did). The article linked doesn't even say what exactly they were protesting (beyond a rather vague "attacks on scientific research" which could mean a lot of things).

It would be wonderful if conference attendees to ADA would stick to the ToS.

It's not clear how that was violated, since they're handing out an article from the ADA's own journal.

Re: Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints

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Post by ciupicri »

wyldfire wrote: post #106
ciupicri wrote: post #81

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> Just a year ago, in these very pages, we highlighted the many threats the current U.S. administration posed to the health of our nation (1). Since then, there have been actions by the administration that have caused grave health consequences, and their current approach will continue to do so. It sounds to me like criticism of the government.

It's not like the article is indirectly related to the subject of the conference. It is critical of the government, but not in the "human rights abuses of this administration threaten us all" way (though even that seems reasonable to discuss). Is it your position that if an article is critical of a world government it must not be discussed at a scientific conference? Or even "you should expect to get ejected from a c…

If Adria Richards and PyCon can make a such fuss about a joke [1], then other conferences can do the same about current political events. I personally wouldn't mind or better said I wouldn't be offended because the topic might be boring for me.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donglegate

Re: Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints

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Post by mbmbn »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #103
mbmbn wrote: post #92

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> they would do it outside the premises at the entrance to the building If they were distributing fliers, sure. They weren’t. They were distributing an article published in the conference organizer’s own journal. That’s what academics do at conferences! > risk losing all funding They’ve already lost the funding. That’s what is being pointed out. OMB is using accounting shenanigans to circumvent the will of the Congre…

They were actually distributing an opinion piece titled “Misguided Brushes of a Pen Continue to Dismantle and Destroy Biomedical Research in the United States: We Can No Longer Afford Complacency and Fear. We Must All Act Now!”

They weren’t distributing a scientific article.

Link: https://diabetesjournals.org/care/article/49/6/901/164764/Mi...

Re: Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints

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Post by 40four »

mcphage wrote: post #65
emilfihlman wrote: post #47

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>“They were respectfully given the opportunity to cease this behavior and chose not to which is why they were escorted out.” I understand the want to protest, but you do know that misrepresentation doesn't help, right? Refusing to cease by an even organisers order will, yes, result in being escorted out forcefully by security.

> given the opportunity to cease this behavior What behavior exactly were they being given an opportunity to cease?

Ask the American Diabetes Association. Their conference, their rules. Do people really believe the ADA is a puppet of the administration?

Re: Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints

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Post by throwaway394085 »

mcswell wrote: post #44
shevy-java wrote: post #40

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Well, there is one problem here: not everyone is interested in diabetes/nutrition. So the Streisand effect may kick in with regards to the ousted individuals, but I am not sure it will generate more interest in the topic/paper at hand. For instance, I am not particularly interested in diabetes per se; I'd be more interested in molecular medicine and what not. Either way the current administration is very hostile to s…

Good point, so here's how I worded my FB post without even mentioning diabetes (URL truncated here because that's how FB displays them, but it works): "Scientists were ejected from a meeting of the American Diabetes Associate for distributing printouts of an editorial that had appeared in the ADA journal. Here's the link: https://diabetesjournals.org/.../Misguided-Brushes-of-a .... The article highlights "the many th…

> What do people not understand about the First Amendment?

Are you implying that the ADA is bound by the First Amendment in this case? If so, can you elaborate how?

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Post by mannanj »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #82
iandanforth wrote: post #64

A reminder to anyone who finds themselves in this kind of situation, do not engage with the rhetoric of the enemy. You cannot win an argument where they set the rules. So here, where they question whether or not they were "protesting" distracts from the reality of a censorious organization that will weaponize regulations it controls without good faith. Instead you need a simple, memorable statement of condemnation wh…

> do not engage with the rhetoric of the enemy. You cannot win an argument where they set the rules Strongly disagree. If they went straight up partisan at the conference, I’d be sympathetic to the notion of throwing them out. Not every space needs to be a protest venue. They didn’t do that. They distributed an article published in the organization’s own journal. They argue why what they did cannot reasonably be cons…

Do you support engaging in straw mans? And if the rhetoric of the enemy is a straw man? You seem to be saying you encourage engaging with a straw man.

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Post by throwaway173738 »

ciupicri wrote: post #81
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #74

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> suspect the conference organisers wanted the conference to focus on diabetes The article they were distributing is pretty clearly about diabetes. If the actions it describes continues, significant efforts towards treating and even curing diabetes will be lost.

> Just a year ago, in these very pages, we highlighted the many threats the current U.S. administration posed to the health of our nation (1). Since then, there have been actions by the administration that have caused grave health consequences, and their current approach will continue to do so. It sounds to me like criticism of the government.

Are you against criticism of the government by private organizations?

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Post by zdragnar »

adrian_b wrote: post #67
roenxi wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This might be reading too much in to minor drama at a diabetes conference. The gentleman in question could have gone to protest outside (and probably did). The article linked doesn't even say what exactly they were protesting (beyond a rather vague "attacks on scientific research" which could mean a lot of things).

Their so-called "protest" was just distributing an article already published in the journal of the medical association to which this conference is attached, which probably discussed matters of interest for the attendance, like the future of research financing in this domain. I can hardly think of a more peaceful form of protest, which only intended to make aware the participants about the content of the article. Thos…

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Re: Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints

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Post by throwaway173738 »

joemazerino wrote: post #127
roenxi wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This might be reading too much in to minor drama at a diabetes conference. The gentleman in question could have gone to protest outside (and probably did). The article linked doesn't even say what exactly they were protesting (beyond a rather vague "attacks on scientific research" which could mean a lot of things).

It would be wonderful if conference attendees to ADA would stick to the ToS.

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