Bhattacharya is an unlicensed MD and completely unfit to lead NIH
> Bhattacharya is an unlicensed MD
Doesn’t this just mean not practicing? Broadly speaking, that per se seems fine.
Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints
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Re: Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
As TFA explains and other posters have also mentioned, they did not violate any code of conduct. Only the organizers have violated the code of conduct. A conference for the members of a medical association has the stated purpose of providing a venue for the exchange of information between the members. When the authors of an article published in the journal of the said medical association distribute free copies of tha…
Any reasonable person, would understand that a scientific organization aim of promoting the share of information between members, applies to scientific information, not to political propaganda.
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Re: Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints
#113They were quietly, politely protesting, but protesting. If two identical conferences had a rule against protesting, but conference A had a plan to have zero tolerance for it, and conference B decided to play it by ear, evaluate based on the disruption and reasonableness and respond as the situation required ... I'd rather go to conference A. I'd feel the same way about a no smoking rule.
So was the ADA protesting when they printed the article in the first place?
There’s a word for countries where speaking literal, objective, scientific truth is framed as protesting and therefore objectionable.
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This has nothing to do with the funding cuts to basic research the article calls out. Cuts which seem to directly contravene the law.
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#115> “They physically grabbed us, forced us out of the conference center, and now are telling us we can no longer attend this meeting,” Kelly told MedPage Today, which first reported the incident. “They’re taking our lanyards. It really has come to this in America. Censorship is real. America needs to stand up. Scientists, stand up. Physicians, stand up.” It's become very evident from the outside that the best time to s…
>> If your life hasn't been affected yet, it will be shortly.
If your life hasnt been affected yet, you arent paying attention. Or, it has been affected for the better because you are one of the many who generally support the movement.
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#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
As TFA explains and other posters have also mentioned, they did not violate any code of conduct. Only the organizers have violated the code of conduct. A conference for the members of a medical association has the stated purpose of providing a venue for the exchange of information between the members. When the authors of an article published in the journal of the said medical association distribute free copies of tha…
Any reasonable person, would understand that a scientific organization aim of promoting the share of information between members, applies to scientific information, not to political propaganda.
Where is the line between political propaganda and pointing out malconduct of the administration that is relevant to practitioners?
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#118A reminder to anyone who finds themselves in this kind of situation, do not engage with the rhetoric of the enemy. You cannot win an argument where they set the rules. So here, where they question whether or not they were "protesting" distracts from the reality of a censorious organization that will weaponize regulations it controls without good faith. Instead you need a simple, memorable statement of condemnation wh…
> do not engage with the rhetoric of the enemy. You cannot win an argument where they set the rules Strongly disagree. If they went straight up partisan at the conference, I’d be sympathetic to the notion of throwing them out. Not every space needs to be a protest venue. They didn’t do that. They distributed an article published in the organization’s own journal. They argue why what they did cannot reasonably be cons…
The point being that we're beyond where that's a responsible choice. Empathy for an organization enforcing its rules above the actions of those protesting them means either an ideological alignment with the censorship or an ignorance/disbelief of the severity of the harm the organization is causing. The former audience will never be persuaded. The latter require education and persuasion, and while its useful to create a sense of martyrdom via forcing the enemy to act in an obviously unreasonable fashion, it's a waste of time to argue with their definitions of rules. If the rule were "you are not allowed to say the governing body is corrupt" and they say its corrupt, that exposes clearly and plainly the problem, and enforcement of the rule provides no authority because the rule itself is obviously designed to quash dissent. If the listener is so blithely oblivious to how the intent of a rule has been manipulated to quash dissent, as it has here, then there is no loss in squarely addressing that. "We are protesting your abandonment of scientific principles" is both what they were doing and should be doing.
Re: Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints
#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
Any reasonable person, would understand that a scientific organization aim of promoting the share of information between members, applies to scientific information, not to political propaganda.
Where is the line between political propaganda and pointing out malconduct of the administration that is relevant to practitioners?
This is part of a paragraph of the article being distributed:
“These proposed cuts would eliminate the National Institute on Minority Health and Health Disparities, which they claim “is replete with DEI [diversity, equity, and inclusion] expenditures,” the Fogarty International Center, which is responsible for funding degree programs in foreign countries that benefit the health of all, including Americans, and the National Center for Complementary and Integrative Health, whose charge includes supporting research and offering information about complementary health approaches in the setting of whole-person health.”
This is ideological. It’s got nothing to do with medical science and research.
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Such as lifting bans on forever chemicals, spreading doubt over vaccinations, and promoting conspiracy theories? I'm sorry, I don't trust a man that shares videos of himself killing snakes on his porch to responsibly handle... well, anything!
If you point a shotgun at a flock of sheep and a wolf - sure, you might hit the wolf sometimes. That doesn't mean you're doing a good thing!