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Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints

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Re: Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints

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roenxi wrote: post #56
embedding-shape wrote: post #39

> “They physically grabbed us, forced us out of the conference center, and now are telling us we can no longer attend this meeting,” Kelly told MedPage Today, which first reported the incident. “They’re taking our lanyards. It really has come to this in America. Censorship is real. America needs to stand up. Scientists, stand up. Physicians, stand up.” It's become very evident from the outside that the best time to s…

This might be reading too much in to minor drama at a diabetes conference. The gentleman in question could have gone to protest outside (and probably did). The article linked doesn't even say what exactly they were protesting (beyond a rather vague "attacks on scientific research" which could mean a lot of things).

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Re: Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints

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Post by adrian_b »

eduction wrote: post #45

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As TFA explains and other posters have also mentioned, they did not violate any code of conduct. Only the organizers have violated the code of conduct.

A conference for the members of a medical association has the stated purpose of providing a venue for the exchange of information between the members. When the authors of an article published in the journal of the said medical association distribute free copies of that article to their colleagues who attend the conference, they do exactly the thing for which the conference is organized.

Only a shameless liar can claim that such an action is a "violation of the code of conduct".

Re: Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints

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Post by st-keller »

roenxi wrote: post #56
embedding-shape wrote: post #39

> “They physically grabbed us, forced us out of the conference center, and now are telling us we can no longer attend this meeting,” Kelly told MedPage Today, which first reported the incident. “They’re taking our lanyards. It really has come to this in America. Censorship is real. America needs to stand up. Scientists, stand up. Physicians, stand up.” It's become very evident from the outside that the best time to s…

This might be reading too much in to minor drama at a diabetes conference. The gentleman in question could have gone to protest outside (and probably did). The article linked doesn't even say what exactly they were protesting (beyond a rather vague "attacks on scientific research" which could mean a lot of things).

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— Erich Fromm, Escape from Freedom

Re: Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

embedding-shape wrote: post #86
astura wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>people commenting on reddit tends to self-censor words like "r@pe" That's just because reddit is almost entirely children and bots/shills. Yes, a platform full of children is going to be childish.

I'm not talking specifically about reddit...

> I'm not talking specifically about reddit

Using the example of someone typing “r@pe” to get around auto moderation is a pretty specific complaint, and not really an example of self censorship since that person clearly still got to say whatever they wanted to say.

At least online, there is a decent argument to be made that a good cohort of people have significantly lost the ability to self moderate.

Re: Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints

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Post by jmclnx »

All this proves to me is the current US admin. is intent on turning China into the number 1 scientific research country.

At this rate, English could be replaced by Mandarin as the main international language of commerce. The only thing that could hold it back is the writing system.

If China could convert its writing to use the Latin alphabet I think that could happen with the US now on the path of destroying its research institutions.

Re: Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints

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Post by delichon »

They were quietly, politely protesting, but protesting. If two identical conferences had a rule against protesting, but conference A had a plan to have zero tolerance for it, and conference B decided to play it by ear, evaluate based on the disruption and reasonableness and respond as the situation required ... I'd rather go to conference A. I'd feel the same way about a no smoking rule.

Re: Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

emilfihlman wrote: post #47
embedding-shape wrote: post #39

> “They physically grabbed us, forced us out of the conference center, and now are telling us we can no longer attend this meeting,” Kelly told MedPage Today, which first reported the incident. “They’re taking our lanyards. It really has come to this in America. Censorship is real. America needs to stand up. Scientists, stand up. Physicians, stand up.” It's become very evident from the outside that the best time to s…

>“They were respectfully given the opportunity to cease this behavior and chose not to which is why they were escorted out.” I understand the want to protest, but you do know that misrepresentation doesn't help, right? Refusing to cease by an even organisers order will, yes, result in being escorted out forcefully by security.

> Refusing to cease by an even organisers order will, yes, result in being escorted out forcefully by security

Sure. But if two groups of people are distributing articles published in the organisation’s own journal, with one of them containing elements of political speech, and the organization censors that one, it’s absolutely valid to ask if anyone in government directed that censorship.

The core of the argument is they should not have been asked to cease distributing their article, that’s literally one of the purposes of an academic conference, plenty of other people were doing it in various ways. The ADA, in claiming it was enforcing its rules, was in fact not following them.

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