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Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries

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Re: Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries

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Post by sylware »

duckduckman wrote: post #24

I think what we’re seeing here isnt Valve messing up but rather the middle east conflict expanded to cyberspace and spilling over to impact civilians. Look at the timing and affected countries. China isnt also exactly known for free internet. WebRTC works as fallback. WebRTC is encrypted and cant be used for much else. STUN in the otherhand is unencrypted and the protocol itself can be used for DDoS reflection/amplif…

IPv6 and minimal assembly-written network code going without niche and complex features.

Re: Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries

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Post by RobotToaster »

ZeWaka wrote: post #58
cedws wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not only. I see it across all of GitHub. Spam, +1 comments, feature begging are all particularly common.

Feature begging on GH has been a thing since forever, I remember plenty of it 10 years ago.

Hell, I remember feature begging on developer mailing lists myself 20+ years ago. (To be fair I was 13 at the time)

Re: Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries

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Post by phrotoma »

cedws wrote: post #36
jofzar wrote: post #5

I know I'm just preaching to the choir here but my favourite thing about open source/published source libraries/applications is discussions on bug reports/pr's like this. It's just something so heartwarming of multiple people coming together to describe their symptoms, workarounds and theories of what could be causing it.

GitHub discussions used to be so much higher quality though when the platform was for professionals. Now, I see so many discussions that devolve into practically being reddit/4chan threads. Another reason to leave.

Eternal September.

Re: Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries

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Post by zamadatix »

CursedSilicon wrote: post #75
fc417fc802 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I lack an informed opinion on the matter but I have to wonder what you think the one thing has to do with the other? Developers have very little choice but to go where the customers are.

Why aren't the customers going to Epic Game Store? It's the PC, after all. It's explicitly not a walled garden

The Epic Game Store is just kind of mid. The app feels spammy, the game selection is less, and it doesn't really offer anything over the existing options beyond the monthly free game gimmick. If they want customers to head there it needs to be better, not just good enough.

Re: Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries

#96

Post by trumpdong »

3form wrote: post #64
komali2 wrote: post #15

Valve fascinates me because the devs there occasionally seem to be simply the best on earth in a given field, but despite that, bizarre bugs will persist for a long time. My favorite was how steam in home streaming from a PC to a steam deck wouldn't work if the steam deck had an Ethernet and wifi connection - one of the connections had to be disabled or the stream would always crash. Maybe they need a few average dev…

The company is very small, and they're doing a lot with what they have. Steam alone is full of arcane features that I keep discovering. There's a lot of backend stuff. They're making games and hardware. Perhaps some of this is contracted, similar to the Linux compat and drivers, but it's still impressive to me, compared to the orgs like Spotify, order of magnitude larger with barely any features at all. (I understand…

The company makes $50,000,000 for every employee each year. It can afford more employees.

Re: Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries

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Post by [deleted] »

RobotToaster wrote: post #92
ZeWaka wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Feature begging on GH has been a thing since forever, I remember plenty of it 10 years ago.

Hell, I remember feature begging on developer mailing lists myself 20+ years ago. (To be fair I was 13 at the time)

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Re: Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries

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Post by wongarsu »

RobotToaster wrote: post #92
ZeWaka wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Feature begging on GH has been a thing since forever, I remember plenty of it 10 years ago.

Hell, I remember feature begging on developer mailing lists myself 20+ years ago. (To be fair I was 13 at the time)

To be fair, a lot of the users spamming and feature begging on github today are 13 right now

Re: Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries

#99

Post by DanielHB »

3form wrote: post #64
komali2 wrote: post #15

Valve fascinates me because the devs there occasionally seem to be simply the best on earth in a given field, but despite that, bizarre bugs will persist for a long time. My favorite was how steam in home streaming from a PC to a steam deck wouldn't work if the steam deck had an Ethernet and wifi connection - one of the connections had to be disabled or the stream would always crash. Maybe they need a few average dev…

The company is very small, and they're doing a lot with what they have. Steam alone is full of arcane features that I keep discovering. There's a lot of backend stuff. They're making games and hardware. Perhaps some of this is contracted, similar to the Linux compat and drivers, but it's still impressive to me, compared to the orgs like Spotify, order of magnitude larger with barely any features at all. (I understand…

The number of developers needs to grow log(n) to the number of users to handle all error reports. Valve is way under the log(n) of user.

Re: Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries

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Post by [deleted] »

csande17 wrote: post #61
philistine wrote: post #37

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That is the bane of my existence. Steam's UI is so slow to react due to its web roots, that I feel like people must be insane to think that Steam is somehow this great app. It's terrible. I shop on GOG.

Steam was rewritten in React relatively recently. I think most people formed their opinion of Steam back when it was mostly developed in VGUI, the same in-house native UI framework Valve used in games for stuff like the Half-Life 2 title screen and the TF2 server browser.

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