Title does not match GitHub issue: "Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other middle east countries"
Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries
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Re: Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
GitHub discussions used to be so much higher quality though when the platform was for professionals. Now, I see so many discussions that devolve into practically being reddit/4chan threads. Another reason to leave.
I feel like it's gotten more professional. 10+ years ago people were dropping the hard R in pull request reviews, now everyone is acting like LinkedIn-speak and Stars will get them their next job
...What? Is this the Linus Sebastian misconception of what the hard R is?
Re: Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
Encrypted by Cloudflare, so they just use the keys to decrypt it again.
Many organizations, surprisingly, still do things like using Kubernetes with TLS terminated at the ingress. In that case, you just need the splitter in the same network as the nodes hosting the ingress controller. Or inspect the unencrypted traffic within the cluster. It takes a non-trivial amount of work to set up a service mesh (and mutual TLS between services), so many k8s clusters end up with unencrypted traffic…
> It takes a non-trivial amount of work to set up a service mesh
I feel like configuring wireguard between a group of physical hosts is fairly trivial. After all I do it semi-manually in order to access my LAN when I'm elsewhere and I'm certainly no expert sysadmin.
Re: Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries
#54My unpopular opinion: Valve is basically a parasite or a landlord. They've been so successful it's hard to imagine a world without them, and they say "you gotta give the parasite its due" and we believe them and comply. It's been kept around because they treat their customers ok, but they absolutely exsanguinate their developers. And their engineering culture is... odd. They hire senior people and then let them all f…
I'd question the idea that they treat developers poorly. Epic Games Store exists and Famously beats Steam (and others) over the head by charging only a 12% fee Hell, they even buy timed exclusive access to certain games And yet. Steam persists
I lack an informed opinion on the matter but I have to wonder what you think the one thing has to do with the other? Developers have very little choice but to go where the customers are.
Re: Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries
#55My unpopular opinion: Valve is basically a parasite or a landlord. They've been so successful it's hard to imagine a world without them, and they say "you gotta give the parasite its due" and we believe them and comply. It's been kept around because they treat their customers ok, but they absolutely exsanguinate their developers. And their engineering culture is... odd. They hire senior people and then let them all f…
Totally agreed. I'm building a Steam competitor, that's web-based (WebGPU/WASM) as well as cross-platform. Light on games atm, but the goal is to replicate over time virtually every feature Steam has to offer, as well as more. You can check out a preview of the portal here: https://gameselect-knvxf8av.manus.space/
What lets you host Monkeyball like that. Are you going to port Xonotic to WASM?
Re: Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries
#56My unpopular opinion: Valve is basically a parasite or a landlord. They've been so successful it's hard to imagine a world without them, and they say "you gotta give the parasite its due" and we believe them and comply. It's been kept around because they treat their customers ok, but they absolutely exsanguinate their developers. And their engineering culture is... odd. They hire senior people and then let them all f…
Totally agreed. I'm building a Steam competitor, that's web-based (WebGPU/WASM) as well as cross-platform. Light on games atm, but the goal is to replicate over time virtually every feature Steam has to offer, as well as more. You can check out a preview of the portal here: https://gameselect-knvxf8av.manus.space/
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Re: Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries
#57Re: Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
Only on those posted to social media including Hacker News. There is no devolving into memes for niche discussions only interested parties know about. Don’t blame Github for getting spammed whenever an issue reaches the front page.
Not only. I see it across all of GitHub. Spam, +1 comments, feature begging are all particularly common.
Feature begging on GH has been a thing since forever, I remember plenty of it 10 years ago.
Re: Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries
#59I think what we’re seeing here isnt Valve messing up but rather the middle east conflict expanded to cyberspace and spilling over to impact civilians. Look at the timing and affected countries. China isnt also exactly known for free internet. WebRTC works as fallback. WebRTC is encrypted and cant be used for much else. STUN in the otherhand is unencrypted and the protocol itself can be used for DDoS reflection/amplif…
I think you have that backwards, WebRTC doesn't work, and STUN does.
I think you have it sideways. STUN [1] is the NAT traversal / "NAT hole punching" process that allows peers to discover their public IP addresses and establish direct P2P bidirectional UDP communication. WebRTC depends on STUN to establish P2P communication. You may be thinking of TURN [2] which amounts to routing traffic through an intermediary node that is visible to the two peers.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STUN
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traversal_Using_Relays_around_...
Re: Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries
#60I think what we’re seeing here isnt Valve messing up but rather the middle east conflict expanded to cyberspace and spilling over to impact civilians. Look at the timing and affected countries. China isnt also exactly known for free internet. WebRTC works as fallback. WebRTC is encrypted and cant be used for much else. STUN in the otherhand is unencrypted and the protocol itself can be used for DDoS reflection/amplif…
STUN/TURN is basically icanhazip for WebRTC. STUN gives you your public IP:port. TURN is the same, but the returned IP:port is the one that had been dynamically allocated to you at time of querying, rather than the actual ones.
WebRTC clients take that STUN/TURN response and send to peers through out-of-band, through e.g. a lobby server chat mechanism, to set up the connection. This allows NAT table entries to be created as if they are outbound connection at both ends.
You can't make P2P connection with STUN/TURN alone. STUN/TURN is just a tool required for WebRTC.