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Motorola effectively bricked its entire line of WiFi routers without explanation

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Re: Motorola effectively bricked its entire line of WiFi routers without explanation

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Post by smallpipe »

hypfer wrote: post #49
sanex wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I listened to an interview with the guy who nearly cured his dog's cancer with ai and he expressed concern multiple times that going public with the story would cause the labs to cut off the ability.

For reference for other readers, here's the primary source: https://x.com/paul_conyngham/status/2036940410363535823 Also, thanks for mentioning! I wasn't aware of this

What is it with the AI bros that seemingly can’t write two pages without their precious LLM doing it for them. It could be a genuinely cool story, but I’m just put off by the LLMism everywhere

Re: Motorola effectively bricked its entire line of WiFi routers without explanation

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Post by SturgeonsLaw »

hypfer wrote: post #49
sanex wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I listened to an interview with the guy who nearly cured his dog's cancer with ai and he expressed concern multiple times that going public with the story would cause the labs to cut off the ability.

For reference for other readers, here's the primary source: https://x.com/paul_conyngham/status/2036940410363535823 Also, thanks for mentioning! I wasn't aware of this

Wow, that is one of the best use cases for AI I've seen. I wonder what the cost of all that was.

Re: Motorola effectively bricked its entire line of WiFi routers without explanation

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Post by SturgeonsLaw »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #57
zmgsabst wrote: post #44

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There is no way in which opening external control is more secure than local-only control. What is this FUD?

> What is this FUD? For whatever it's worth, I associate the term FUD with crypto bros. Both of you simply stated an assertion at fact and then flipped out when someone deigned to defy that. Maybe argue your points properly?

FUD existed before them. So did the word crypto, as a matter of fact.

That's two things they ruined.

While we're at it, I think them claiming the term Web 3.0 is very self-aggrandizing.

Re: Motorola effectively bricked its entire line of WiFi routers without explanation

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Post by 2Gkashmiri »

canpan wrote: post #56
zootboy wrote: post #6

And this is why "mandatory app to configure" is an instant dealbreaker for me for any piece of hardware. Don't buy crap like this. Force companies to be better.

When buying fridge, washing machine, oven etc, when I moved, I told the sales person, I like quality, am not price sensitive, but any device that requires an app or has a camera/mic built in is out of question. Some didn't know how to handle that, being used to sell it as a "good thing".

I have an HP wifi printer, 5820 I think. I haven't signed in to HP, haven't connected the printer to cloud.

Same for anything else. I don't see the whole "oh you need firmware update to improve the product". 90% of the time it just works.

So what happens if the fridge isn't given internet access ? Or washing machine?

Re: Motorola effectively bricked its entire line of WiFi routers without explanation

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Post by binaryturtle »

dotancohen wrote: post #50
binaryturtle wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's a "router" and you can't install a OpenWRT on it, then it's an absolute no-brainer to not to buy it.

To whom? How many people who have bought these things ever heard of OpenWRT? How many of those are capable of installing it? Have you ever considered upgrading your refrigerator? Washing machine? Kettle? A router is a transparent appliance to most people.

And that's why we educate others and let them know about their options. You have to start somewhere.

Re: Motorola effectively bricked its entire line of WiFi routers without explanation

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Post by hypfer »

smallpipe wrote: post #61
hypfer wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For reference for other readers, here's the primary source: https://x.com/paul_conyngham/status/2036940410363535823 Also, thanks for mentioning! I wasn't aware of this

What is it with the AI bros that seemingly can’t write two pages without their precious LLM doing it for them. It could be a genuinely cool story, but I’m just put off by the LLMism everywhere

Tbf in this case it might also just be that the guy talked _extensively_ over years with those LLMs, shaping language.

At least nothing tipped me off for that specific text. What did you see?

Re: Motorola effectively bricked its entire line of WiFi routers without explanation

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Post by binaryturtle »

rycomb wrote: post #36
binaryturtle wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's a "router" and you can't install a OpenWRT on it, then it's an absolute no-brainer to not to buy it.

I'd suggest buying the OpenWRT One. I've bought a bunch, and I think it's terrific.

I'm waiting for the second version (supposedly has a better number of RJ45; that's where the "One" was a bit limited and an extra switch would have been required in the setup)

Re: Motorola effectively bricked its entire line of WiFi routers without explanation

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Post by cwillu »

dotancohen wrote: post #50
binaryturtle wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's a "router" and you can't install a OpenWRT on it, then it's an absolute no-brainer to not to buy it.

To whom? How many people who have bought these things ever heard of OpenWRT? How many of those are capable of installing it? Have you ever considered upgrading your refrigerator? Washing machine? Kettle? A router is a transparent appliance to most people.

The point is somewhat less that you will do it, as being able to do it implies a certain level of sanity to what you're buying + the ability to use the hardware even if the software goes away in some undefined-yet-predictable fashion.

It's sorta like checking if spare parts are available for your refrigerator or washing machine.

Re: Motorola effectively bricked its entire line of WiFi routers without explanation

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

SturgeonsLaw wrote: post #63
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What is this FUD? For whatever it's worth, I associate the term FUD with crypto bros. Both of you simply stated an assertion at fact and then flipped out when someone deigned to defy that. Maybe argue your points properly?

FUD existed before them. So did the word crypto, as a matter of fact. That's two things they ruined. While we're at it, I think them claiming the term Web 3.0 is very self-aggrandizing.

> FUD existed before them. So did the word crypto, as a matter of fact

Yup. But as a broad signal, is the person getting uppity about FUD usually making a valid point or safe to ignore?

Re: Motorola effectively bricked its entire line of WiFi routers without explanation

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Post by veeti »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #20
userbinator wrote: post #14

I haven't been in the market for a WiFi router for a long time so I thought all the consumer stuff still used a web server for config. Enterprise stuff is either the same or has a serial port. In any case, it doesn't make sense to require a separate app that they also have to spend resources maintaining when their users will already have a browser they can use, so I suspect the only reason is the app collects usage i…

> On the bright side, maybe someone can get Claude or some other LLM to figure out how to crack it; and perhaps even vibe-code an alternative app. LLMs are great for this, though the more people use it for blackhat style things, the more I fear they will lockdown LLMs which are useful for reversing things that are legacy as heck and abandonware.

I've been doing some light reverse engineering with Chinese models on Opencode and have found they are already far less reluctant. Just don't ask about Taiwan..
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