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Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries

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Re: Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries

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Post by PeterHolzwarth »

stackghost wrote: post #18
komali2 wrote: post #15

Valve fascinates me because the devs there occasionally seem to be simply the best on earth in a given field, but despite that, bizarre bugs will persist for a long time. My favorite was how steam in home streaming from a PC to a steam deck wouldn't work if the steam deck had an Ethernet and wifi connection - one of the connections had to be disabled or the stream would always crash. Maybe they need a few average dev…

Valve famously has a very flat org structure so it's possible that that problem just isn't sexy enough for someone to pick it up on their own, without being told by a higher-up. I wish they offered remote; I'd happily work there doing those sorts of unglamorous bug fixes. High-reliability engineering is my jam.

They say they have a flat structure. People who have worked there, despite some axe-grinding, indicate otherwise.

Re: Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries

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Post by usea »

gacgacgac wrote: post #19

My unpopular opinion: Valve is basically a parasite or a landlord. They've been so successful it's hard to imagine a world without them, and they say "you gotta give the parasite its due" and we believe them and comply. It's been kept around because they treat their customers ok, but they absolutely exsanguinate their developers. And their engineering culture is... odd. They hire senior people and then let them all f…

> It's been kept around because they treat their customers ok, but they absolutely exsanguinate their developers.

This is true, but "treat their customers ok" goes a long way. When everybody else severely abuses their customers, the one company that doesn't generates a lot of goodwill.

Re: Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries

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Post by mhitza »

komali2 wrote: post #15

Valve fascinates me because the devs there occasionally seem to be simply the best on earth in a given field, but despite that, bizarre bugs will persist for a long time. My favorite was how steam in home streaming from a PC to a steam deck wouldn't work if the steam deck had an Ethernet and wifi connection - one of the connections had to be disabled or the stream would always crash. Maybe they need a few average dev…

My favorite bug family, that somehow to sneak in every time, is how their react frontend (or whatever the store runs) manages to semi-crash and the controller inputs are no longer recognized.

I kind of hope at least they'll fix such issues permanently before the steam machine release.

Re: Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries

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Post by duckduckman »

I think what we’re seeing here isnt Valve messing up but rather the middle east conflict expanded to cyberspace and spilling over to impact civilians. Look at the timing and affected countries. China isnt also exactly known for free internet.

WebRTC works as fallback. WebRTC is encrypted and cant be used for much else.

STUN in the otherhand is unencrypted and the protocol itself can be used for DDoS reflection/amplification. I would not be surprised if this is somehow weaponized and/or blocked/analyzed in real time that then breaks the connectivity.

Re: Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries

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Post by Georgelemental »

duckduckman wrote: post #24

I think what we’re seeing here isnt Valve messing up but rather the middle east conflict expanded to cyberspace and spilling over to impact civilians. Look at the timing and affected countries. China isnt also exactly known for free internet. WebRTC works as fallback. WebRTC is encrypted and cant be used for much else. STUN in the otherhand is unencrypted and the protocol itself can be used for DDoS reflection/amplif…

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Re: Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries

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Post by decremental »

Georgelemental wrote: post #25
duckduckman wrote: post #24

I think what we’re seeing here isnt Valve messing up but rather the middle east conflict expanded to cyberspace and spilling over to impact civilians. Look at the timing and affected countries. China isnt also exactly known for free internet. WebRTC works as fallback. WebRTC is encrypted and cant be used for much else. STUN in the otherhand is unencrypted and the protocol itself can be used for DDoS reflection/amplif…

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Re: Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries

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Post by nine_k »

Georgelemental wrote: post #25
duckduckman wrote: post #24

I think what we’re seeing here isnt Valve messing up but rather the middle east conflict expanded to cyberspace and spilling over to impact civilians. Look at the timing and affected countries. China isnt also exactly known for free internet. WebRTC works as fallback. WebRTC is encrypted and cant be used for much else. STUN in the otherhand is unencrypted and the protocol itself can be used for DDoS reflection/amplif…

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Regular people here are as opposed to military servicemen. The people who did not sign up for going to war.

Re: Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries

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Post by croes »

Georgelemental wrote: post #25
duckduckman wrote: post #24

I think what we’re seeing here isnt Valve messing up but rather the middle east conflict expanded to cyberspace and spilling over to impact civilians. Look at the timing and affected countries. China isnt also exactly known for free internet. WebRTC works as fallback. WebRTC is encrypted and cant be used for much else. STUN in the otherhand is unencrypted and the protocol itself can be used for DDoS reflection/amplif…

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> impact regular people

aka civilians

Re: Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries

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Post by underdeserver »

nine_k wrote: post #27
Georgelemental wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Regular people here are as opposed to military servicemen. The people who did not sign up for going to war.

These are dudes, likely some of them teenagers, playing Street Fighter and Tekken.

Who signed up for what?

Re: Major P2P issues in Israel and possibly other Middle East countries

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Post by RamRodification »

underdeserver wrote: post #29
nine_k wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regular people here are as opposed to military servicemen. The people who did not sign up for going to war.

These are dudes, likely some of them teenagers, playing Street Fighter and Tekken. Who signed up for what?

> Who

These dudes and dudettes playing video games

> what?

Military service

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