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Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by slg »

throwaway27448 wrote: post #191

I don't think I've ever seen in all of my wide understanding of history, such a tiny state successfully make an empire its vassal. Truly an astounding feat. It would be highly entertaining if it didn't bode poorly for humanity.

I don't like how Americans dismiss their own agency in this all. This is not being forced on us by Israel. A huge and underdiscussed reason why the US and Israel have the relationship they do is because of the roughly 100m American Evangelicals that want it that way. That's also why the GOP is seen as the party more favorable to Israel (not that the Democrats are necessarily adversarial, but they clearly aren't as agreeable as a whole).

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by m-ee »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #276
throwaway27448 wrote: post #191

I don't think I've ever seen in all of my wide understanding of history, such a tiny state successfully make an empire its vassal. Truly an astounding feat. It would be highly entertaining if it didn't bode poorly for humanity.

In part it's because they have the best intelligence apparatus in the world. I'm very impressed at how far above their weight they're punching.

The best intelligence apparatus in the world missed the Oct 7 planning which Egyptian intelligence noticed, told the Israelis about directly, and still went ignored?

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by thin_carapace »

throwaway27448 wrote: post #201
ruggeri wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t agree with the assessment, but in terms of a great power being very interested in the interests of a small country, consider Serbia and Russia before WWI.

I agree vassal is the wrong term... but we are currently committing global economic suicide on behalf of Israel's interests. I'm not sure what word is appropriate. Perhaps we need a new one. I'll look at Serbia, thank you.

suzerain

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by g8oz »

flyinglizard wrote: post #252
vkou wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Forcing the existence of a new jewish state has created, as expected, a permanent political fissure in the area. No, forcing the existence of a new aggressively expansionist jewish state did that.

Mind you Israel was the one that supported the partition plan in 1948. The expansion came from the other side who wanted it all

Plans for ethnic cleansing Palestinians were being drawn up in the 1930s. No idea what you are talking about

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by karim79 »

bigyabai wrote: post #315
karim79 wrote: post #242

These threads are always fun. The mental gymnastics of the Israeli "splainers" will never fail to amaze me. Israelsplainers perhaps. I want to say that it's just Netanyahu who needs to go away but it's actually much, much more than just him. The tide is shifting methinks and rightly so (and finally).

> Israelsplainers perhaps The Israeli wumao: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasbara Hasbara has no direct English translation, but roughly means "explaining". It is a communicative strategy that "seeks to explain actions, whether or not they are justified". [...] In its 2025 budget, Israel planned to spend $150 million on hasbara, a 20-fold increase. In the 2026 budget, NIS 2.35 billion (about $730 million) has been a…

I mean 730 million isn't a lot, right? It's all good all safe. 730 million dollars. Which could solve hunger in parts of Africa. But let's just use it to protect our image.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by zuzululu »

ai_fry_ur_brain wrote: post #327
kumarski wrote: post #271

I had a few GS15s sit down with me in 2019 and explain to me directionally the vibe on Israel. Changed my viewpoint forever. For ~50 years America has subcontracted to Israel a portion of its intelligence operations and sometimes largely for plausible deniability, other times because we cannot spy on our own citizens - the last part wasn't said explicitly - but what I could grok. IMHO, the Israeli apparatus has gone…

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That sounds unhinged and delusional but what steps have you taken besides just writing comments about your anti-semitic fantasies online ?

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by HotGarbage »

m-ee wrote: post #332
solenoid0937 wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In part it's because they have the best intelligence apparatus in the world. I'm very impressed at how far above their weight they're punching.

The best intelligence apparatus in the world missed the Oct 7 planning which Egyptian intelligence noticed, told the Israelis about directly, and still went ignored?

Perfect excuse for the ongoing genocide.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by vmchale »

slg wrote: post #331
throwaway27448 wrote: post #191

I don't think I've ever seen in all of my wide understanding of history, such a tiny state successfully make an empire its vassal. Truly an astounding feat. It would be highly entertaining if it didn't bode poorly for humanity.

I don't like how Americans dismiss their own agency in this all. This is not being forced on us by Israel. A huge and underdiscussed reason why the US and Israel have the relationship they do is because of the roughly 100m American Evangelicals that want it that way. That's also why the GOP is seen as the party more favorable to Israel (not that the Democrats are necessarily adversarial, but they clearly aren't as ag…

It's not American evangelicals. It's been a long campaign and the evangelicals are still being targeted by Israel because no one else is left, but there aren't enough American evangelicals to swing things.

Not to mention, it often comes down to primary voters, to say nothing of Hollywood/media blacklists

> the Democrats are necessarily adversarial, but they clearly aren't as agreeable as a whole).

Democrats only changed recently. For some decades before that, the Israel lobby had significant sway over them (including allowing dems to publicly admit certain things).

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