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DoD Officially Drops 180 Faiths from Military's Recognized Religion List

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Re: DoD Officially Drops 180 Faiths from Military's Recognized Religion List

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Here's the previous list: https://americanhumanist.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Fait...

It seems the deleted entries mainly consisted of Protestant denominations and Pagan groups. They also removed Atheist as a specific religion, and various entries like None Provided and Unknown. Many two-letter codes were changed, which may be confusing if you have groups of soldiers with a mix of old and new dog-tags.

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post #20
post #6

It's notable that the original list with the extra 180 religions was from Trump's first term, so this is another example of the doubling down on white Christian identity politics that has come to define Trump's second term. Also one small potentially controversial decision here that I find amusing in a narcissism of small differences kind of way, Mormons aren't considered Christian according to this list.

one core tenant of Christianity is that Christ the Messiah obviates prophecy. No denomination of Christianity (AFAIK) considers the LDS as true Christians...except for the LDS themselves

Just to clear this up, all the various "Christian" ministries that embrace modern prophecy and prophets are, therefore, not actually Christian?

  From the beginning of the Assemblies of God, prophecy has been affirmed as a spiritual gift for the Church today. Since the Day of Pentecost, the Church has functioned as a prophetic community. Any Spirit-filled believer may prophesy while discernment and judgment of prophecy belong to the full body of Christ.
~ https://ag.org/Beliefs/Position-Papers/Modern-Day-Prophecy

( no vested interest here, I've got Wagyl riding shotgun on the stagecoach of my life )

Re: DoD Officially Drops 180 Faiths from Military's Recognized Religion List

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post #10

They don't recognize atheists anymore? Am I reading that right?

Uh, honest question: why would you put atheist on a list of religions? Like…leave the religion off the dog tag and that communicates enough right? What’s there to recognize? I’m super not trying to be antagonistic. I’m trying to understand why an atheist would be upset by this.

As somebody who works with data and humans, I know it's not a good idea to use the absence of information as information. Then you need confidence that the absence was on purpose, and means a specific thing. Whereas you could simply not omit the information.

It being a "list of religions" is just a semantic distraction, like saying "bald" shouldn't be on a list of hair colors.

Re: DoD Officially Drops 180 Faiths from Military's Recognized Religion List

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uh, honest question: why would you put atheist on a list of religions? Like…leave the religion off the dog tag and that communicates enough right? What’s there to recognize? I’m super not trying to be antagonistic. I’m trying to understand why an atheist would be upset by this.

Religion provides certain benefits in the military. If you are say a Christian, you get assigned time to go to a (hopefully) air conditioned church and relax and recover. Even if it’s short, it can be beneficial to collect yourself in a high stress situation like basic training/boot camp. If you elect not to go to a religious service, you typically have to keep doing whatever you are doing. Atheists or other less org…

This was true 20 years ago (not sure about now). As an atheist/agnostic in basic training I used to try different church services to get away from the barracks on Sundays. If you didn’t you were definitely assigned some cleaning detail instead of having down time. At the time it didn’t come across as discrimination and felt more like a way to keep control. At various times when control was lax bad stuff happened, e.g. fighting, sex, awol, etc. In a new light this does seem like it has a disparate impact.

Re: DoD Officially Drops 180 Faiths from Military's Recognized Religion List

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post #6

It's notable that the original list with the extra 180 religions was from Trump's first term, so this is another example of the doubling down on white Christian identity politics that has come to define Trump's second term. Also one small potentially controversial decision here that I find amusing in a narcissism of small differences kind of way, Mormons aren't considered Christian according to this list.

The choice with Mormons is technically correct. Those who use theological considerations to define Christianity generally don't accept Mormons as Christians. For example, the Catholic Church sees Mormonism a non-Christian religion, because it rejects the Nicene Creed. People who base Christianity on cultural identity are more likely to include Mormons in the definition.

And yet Jehovah's Witnesses are denoted on the list as a Christian faith. So whatever the distinction that is being made here, it isn't simply rejection of the Nicene Creed.

Re: DoD Officially Drops 180 Faiths from Military's Recognized Religion List

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They don't recognize atheists anymore? Am I reading that right?

They're not tracking atheists or working to measure and expand chaplaincy services for "atheists" separate from "no religion".

The religion list doesn't mean that much. The religious respect requirements for the armed forces are codified in law; the DoD can't alter them.

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post #22
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

one core tenant of Christianity is that Christ the Messiah obviates prophecy. No denomination of Christianity (AFAIK) considers the LDS as true Christians...except for the LDS themselves

Just to clear this up, all the various "Christian" ministries that embrace modern prophecy and prophets are, therefore, not actually Christian? From the beginning of the Assemblies of God, prophecy has been affirmed as a spiritual gift for the Church today. Since the Day of Pentecost, the Church has functioned as a prophetic community. Any Spirit-filled believer may prophesy while discernment and judgment of prophecy…

And to make it clear since you didn't say it, Assemblies of God is on the list categorized as Christian while the LDS Church isn't, so this doesn't appear to be the distinction the list makers had in mind.

Re: DoD Officially Drops 180 Faiths from Military's Recognized Religion List

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They don't recognize atheists anymore? Am I reading that right?

Is "no religion" atheist? Or is "Atheism" an organized religion now?

No religion = atheism

That’s what was officially on my docs, the whole time while in the Air Force

Athiesm continues to not be a religion despite religious people trying to make it stick

Re: DoD Officially Drops 180 Faiths from Military's Recognized Religion List

#29
post #11

What's the effect of this? I don't really understand why they have a "recognised" list at all or what the implications are.

Various laws, regulations, and processes come with religious exceptions. In order to qualify for religious exceptions, you need to follow a qualified religion.

Re: DoD Officially Drops 180 Faiths from Military's Recognized Religion List

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post #6

It's notable that the original list with the extra 180 religions was from Trump's first term, so this is another example of the doubling down on white Christian identity politics that has come to define Trump's second term. Also one small potentially controversial decision here that I find amusing in a narcissism of small differences kind of way, Mormons aren't considered Christian according to this list.

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