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Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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"Government suddenly and confusingly starts acting accordingly to what everyone's already know for a long time." This is really quite scary when you think about it. Why now all of a sudden?

USA almost certainly spies on Israel (and everyone else) far deeper than anyone spies on them.

Who knows who's telling the truth these days. [1] I just assume it's always spy-vs-spy every which way from Sunday.

[1] - https://www.youtube.com/shorts/vukPEDWaBHg

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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This is a non-sequitur. It's an "American" organization whose sole purpose is to lobby the US government on behalf of the interests of a foreign government. It should register as a foreign agent as should all its employees because that's exactly how they behave and why they exist.

There's a name for that: Fifth column.

You could at least use accounts created more than 5 minutes ago, sloppy job mossad

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I hate that people will take “political blackmail is real” and jump to “the moon landing wasn’t real”

Why must all conspiracy theories be bucketed together as if it's a single entity and culture. Conspiracies are real and as old as time, and treating any analysis or discussion about them as part of a greater crackpot culture just acts as cover for real ones. In fact there is evidence that the CIA is behind some of the crackpot theories to muddy the water.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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> Top U.S. officials often take extra care when traveling to Israel, sometimes using burner phones and computers and taking extreme caution when speaking in hotel rooms during official trips, the current and former U.S. officials and experts said.

> Israel has “a hyper-aggressive intelligence service,” said Emily Harding, vice president of the Defense and Security Department and director of the intelligence, national security and technology program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a think tank in Washington. “They are exceedingly interested in what we are up to,” Harding said of the Israelis.

And these are considered their closest allies.

What do they do with others.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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It's important to not frame this as a US vs Israel thing. Israel is, at best, the last of the Western world's settler colonies, and as such, is serving a purpose, a so-called landed aircraft carrier. [0]

The fact that there is tensions in the government regarding Israel means that the entities that found value in Israel are losing out to those that don't. So-called America-first powers no longer see 1st-tier support of Israel as in the interests of the US.

This will not go well with Zionists, who are still supported by massive backing and financial interests. They will spend a LOT of money to keep Israel the US's "top ally" despite it being no such thing in any meaningful way. Israel is a tool of the Western imperial forces.

The fact that this story is breaking means that Zionism is getting more-and-more toxic to people in power.

[0] https://michael-hudson.com/2023/11/israel-as-a-landed-aircra...

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

#116
post #62

"Government suddenly and confusingly starts acting accordingly to what everyone's already know for a long time." This is really quite scary when you think about it. Why now all of a sudden?

One reason is that blaming Israel for the Iran FUBAR situation is very convenient, especially for keeping MAGA on board. The right wing pundits are already working overtime on X and elsewhere to blame Israel and concoct all sorts of explanations why Trump authorized the strike (the most amusing is that he "was possessed by demons"). Blaming Israel may have been coordinated with Netanyahu, who has nothing to lose and…

> One reason is that blaming Israel for the Iran FUBAR situation is very convenient, especially for keeping MAGA on board.

Polling shows support for Israel is far greater among Trump loyalist voters than non-loyalist Republicans, so this is surely false.

Perhaps you're confusing "MAGA" with actual American nationalists, who are statistically irrelevant.

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post #59

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> everyone knew was a bad idea It was a good idea if it was also timed during the popular uprisings. But the 20,000+ die-hard citizens that would have effected regime change were slaughtered months ago. So now it's just a scared populace hunkering in place while USA warships and jets dominate their country. And the Iranians fire off the occasional drone swarm on UAE.

I would love to see an agreement on the supposed number of (unarmed) civilians killed. Over the course of the past few months, I have heard claims of thousands up to 50k. You would think the traffic and surveillance cams hacked by the Israelis would’ve shown the extent of this bloodbath. https://apnews.com/article/iran-war-security-cameras-surveil...

No one’s putting a public traffic cam in the regime’s secret detention sites.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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post #92
post #63

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Since the 1951 Angleton-Harel Secret Pact, there has been an unwritten agreement that CIA and Mossad will not spy on each others countries. Kiriakou (who is a wonk) confirmed as much in recent remarks. But no one without at least a TS really knows

Kiriakou also stated several times that the Mossad was known to casually try to recruit CIA agents: https://youtu.be/R7OWqAgGzwA?t=163

That speaks to my comment (which was not sufficiently specified I guess) but it does not speak to “the USA spies on Israel” which is what I was replying to

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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There's a name for that: Fifth column.

You could at least use accounts created more than 5 minutes ago, sloppy job mossad

Nah. I like not to ruin my future by criticizing Israel online.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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post #116
post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One reason is that blaming Israel for the Iran FUBAR situation is very convenient, especially for keeping MAGA on board. The right wing pundits are already working overtime on X and elsewhere to blame Israel and concoct all sorts of explanations why Trump authorized the strike (the most amusing is that he "was possessed by demons"). Blaming Israel may have been coordinated with Netanyahu, who has nothing to lose and…

> One reason is that blaming Israel for the Iran FUBAR situation is very convenient, especially for keeping MAGA on board. Polling shows support for Israel is far greater among Trump loyalist voters than non-loyalist Republicans, so this is surely false. Perhaps you're confusing "MAGA" with actual American nationalists, who are statistically irrelevant.

The reason for the support matters.

A lot of them think support for Israel leads to the apocalypse and Jesus’s return. It doesn’t end well for the Jews in that story.

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