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They can just not make any effort to confirm that.
They can make your life difficult for sure, but they can't hold you indefinitely as a citizen.
What stops them?
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#462Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are aware of the fact that you essentially have no rights at border crossings, right? Even if you are a US citizen entering the US. This is why many companies have procedures for when employees visit certain countries, including the US. For instance that you are not allowed to bring your personal phone, your personal and work laptop or any medium that can hold sensitive or proprietary information.
> Even if you are a US citizen entering the US. Is this really the case? As far as I understand it, US citizens have an absolute right to enter the country. So they can sit you in a room and ask you questions all afternoon, but eventually they have to let you in.
Look it up.
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#464Earlier quoted context omitted.
>But they were acting on policies which require them to treat non-white members of the public differently. There is no actual evidence of this. Some people apparently think they can read the minds of the officers on the scene. And, being serious for just a moment, even the most outré of the police policy documents that have been dug up following this event (allowing the dubious assumption that any serving police offi…
Yes, there is evidence of this. Are you actually from the UK? I actually struggle to believe that anyone who is from the UK and is aware of events in the UK over the past few decades would actually be unaware this is the case. The Lawrence case in the UK led to a massive structural and cultural shift in policing across the UK, not just the Met. This involved both changes to guidance and changes in how police officers…
That’s a very long comment that doesn’t provide any actual evidence that the officer in question was following a policy of not doing a basic medical check on someone if that person has been accused of being a racist. Clearly, no such policy exists. Police and other first responders are required to provide medical assistance to anyone who needs it, regardless of whatever crime they might be suspected of.
You refrain from linking to the actual “policy” (but not actually a policy) document that forms the basis of the wild claims that Musk and others are making about this. Perhaps you’re aware that it’s entirely innocuous when read in context.
Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS
#465From the discuss.grapheneos.org comments
"MineralWater
This is why people should buy a cheap phone with stock android on which zero private data is stored and that is never used for anything other than those verification things or government apps that might be or become mandatory.
What i mean is, use your graphene phone for everything, but don't use it to legitimate yourself.
Take an old phone or cheap one and put nothing on it, no contacts, no email (maybe one exclusively used for this phone without any private conversation on it), no apps like messengers and so on.
A phone that is only used like a passport, to legitimate yourself and or use government apps you are forced to use."
HN commenters consistently argue they, and therefore everyone else, must be able to use the same phone for everything
Otherwise corporate mobile OS alternatives like GrapheneOS are useless
For example if banking app, the proverbial example, requires some corporate mobile OS, then the owner must use this corporate mobile OS for everything else besides banking, too
If they have multiple phones, then presumably they must also use the corporate mobile OS on every one of them
No exceptions
Perhaps next we will see comments trying to argue that users can only have one phone
Or that the only computer user may own is a phone
These HN comments make little sense to me
Perhaps the people using multiple as phones mentioned in MineralWater's comment are not the people commenting on HN
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Sure. I had something like that planned. But that doesn't change the title of the event.
The title might be XYZ Hackathon but the word Hackathon isn't really meaningful outside of that scene, so if asked what it is, you'd say a computer programming conference or something like that. When I tell people about Revision, I don't say "demoparty", I say "computer art festival", because that's not subculture jargon.
And if the border guard asks for the name of the computer art festival, to check if it exists?
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#467Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, there is evidence of this. Are you actually from the UK? I actually struggle to believe that anyone who is from the UK and is aware of events in the UK over the past few decades would actually be unaware this is the case. The Lawrence case in the UK led to a massive structural and cultural shift in policing across the UK, not just the Met. This involved both changes to guidance and changes in how police officers…
That’s a very long comment that doesn’t provide any actual evidence that the officer in question was following a policy of not doing a basic medical check on someone if that person has been accused of being a racist. Clearly, no such policy exists. Police and other first responders are required to provide medical assistance to anyone who needs it, regardless of whatever crime they might be suspected of. You refrain f…
As I explained, you should search for it. I said this because the process of searching for views that disprove your feelings would be beneficial for you. You seem to suggest that I intended to provide you with evidence...I specifically said that I would not.
https://www.hampshire.police.uk/police-forces/hampshire-cons... - this is a policy document from the police force, this is in the process of being reviewed because the police force involved reviewed the incident in question when it happened and said that the handling met their standards of policing in full (I don't think you understand that you are arguing with phantoms here, the police force has now acknowledged that their policy was wrong and led them to initially say that the incident was handled correctly...afaik, no-one apart from politicians is making the argument you are making, and the policing minister has also said that policy is likely wrong...not that the minister has control over this).
https://www.npcc.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/media/downloads/our... - this is a policy document from NPCC which is one of the many quangos that influences local force policy. There are actually quangos that just provide policy guidance on ethnic minority policy, you should look into these as they also provide extensive training to police forces on the specific situation that occurred and how to handle it (again, this is why the police force initially said that the incident was handled correctly, the key point was the accusation of racism and this is what the police said initially when they reviewed the incidence).
I would also repeat: the reason why I did not include these links is because you do not understand basic aspects of how policing works in the UK. I have answered your question about why a medical check was not performed...yes, that was fully explained (perhaps you see my issue with the way you come across, you come across as someone who has put effort into being misinformed). I have no idea what Elon Musk has to do with policing policy in the UK...that you would bring up this "Emmanuel Goldstein"-esque character unprompted comes across as very bizarre to someone who is unaware of whatever political game is occurring. It is very simple: the police should do their job correctly and treat everyone equally. That is it.
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#468Earlier quoted context omitted.
You haven't even begun to understand people who disagree with you. If you believe that what happened to George Floyd was bad, you would also believe that what happened to Nowak was bad. Saying that being appalled by police brutality towards a white person is "racism" misunderstands what people are saying complextely. You are arguing with phantoms in your head. The problem that people have is that whilst America was r…
I understand them pretty well. It’s the same kind if people who ignored the deaths by COVID but claimed every death linked to the vaccines was murder or the consequence of mass experimentation on humans. Just because this time an police error lead to the death of a white person doesn’t make it a case of racism against whites. George Floyd was also only the straw that broke the camels back. There is more than enough e…
No, you don't. That is the issue. You are trying to link this to people who believe in a completely unrelated issue. The only place this connection exists in your own mind.
Do you understand how odd this looks to someone who doesn't have these barriers in their mind? It is like someone saying they dislike ice cream and then using that as the basis for concluding they dislike pizza. If politics didn't exist, this would make no sense at all.
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#469Earlier quoted context omitted.
This isn't how the UK works. There is a vast ecosystem of pre-crime authorities and the police are able to investigate things which aren't crimes and add "non-crime" incidents to your criminal record. It may not surprise you to learn that almost all of the cases in which this is used are "social" crimes. In cases of actual crime, custodial sentences are sometimes not applied at all...again, usually for reasons of soc…
All sharing sites are not blocked, postimg and Reddit image hosting and Flickr and many more are not blocked. The uk didn’t block sharing sites because of a threat to the social order, sharing sites blocked uk viewers because they don’t want to comply with uk laws like “don’t gather children’s personal data”. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gzxv5gy3qo
No, they blocked the UK because it was either that or open themselves up to £18m in fine liability thanks to the Online Safety Act[0]. Social media sites which are unable or unwilling to operate strict, full-time content moderation have all blocked the UK because the alternative is being held punitively liable for abuse by bad actors. Pretty much a no brainer. (And that's without even getting into the quagmire of legitimate, consenting, age-gated adult content.)
Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS
#470Earlier quoted context omitted.
That’s a very long comment that doesn’t provide any actual evidence that the officer in question was following a policy of not doing a basic medical check on someone if that person has been accused of being a racist. Clearly, no such policy exists. Police and other first responders are required to provide medical assistance to anyone who needs it, regardless of whatever crime they might be suspected of. You refrain f…
As I explained, you should search for it. I said this because the process of searching for views that disprove your feelings would be beneficial for you. You seem to suggest that I intended to provide you with evidence...I specifically said that I would not. https://www.hampshire.police.uk/police-forces/hampshire-cons... - this is a policy document from the police force, this is in the process of being reviewed becau…
Neither of those documents is actually a policy document, and neither says anything particularly objectionable, or anything that could possibly be used to justify handcuffing someone who’s requested medical attention and then leaving them to die.
> I have no idea what Elon Musk has to do with policing policy in the UK.
He has nothing to do with policing in the UK, but he has a lot to do with the content of a lot of the comments here.
> the police force has now acknowledged that their policy was wrong and led them to initially say that the incident was handled correctly
I couldn’t find a reference for this claim. Some context here, if anyone else is readying: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/jun/03/police-anti-...