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Post by lukan »

microtonal wrote: post #359
trumpdong wrote: post #218

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The EU has no sovereignty, countries (like Hungary and Germany) can openly disobey it and the worst they can do is kick them out of the EU

kick them out of the EU AFAIK, not even that. This topic came up in relation to Hungary (before Orban was gone). What I understood from the discussion is that a country can only be punished by not giving them EU funds, etc.

Kicking out is possible, but not established and everyone happy that Orban is gone for now and no immediate need to find out how that process works in reality.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by lukan »

cassianoleal wrote: post #409
trumpdong wrote: post #379

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Yes. The EU has no army, no legal sovereignty within each country, etc. It's an alliance of countries NOT a single federal government. The individual countries remain in charge of themselves and the alliance is supposed to be structured in a way that only paases things the countries actually want.

So you think it would be better if the EU started a war with a member state that failed to uphold the union's laws?

Why would he or she think that? Your questions are close to strawman arguments in my perception.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by nextstep »

vsgherzi wrote: post #147
nextstep wrote: post #136

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Do you have any sources for these claims about China?

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/world/police-warn-families-... Not exactly what you asked but here’s something tangentially related

Blocking an event memorializing a shameful part of China’s history? that’s not great, but that’s really not the same thing

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by trumpdong »

eesmith wrote: post #405
trumpdong wrote: post #402

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Programming conference

Sure. I had something like that planned. But that doesn't change the title of the event.

The title might be XYZ Hackathon but the word Hackathon isn't really meaningful outside of that scene, so if asked what it is, you'd say a computer programming conference or something like that. When I tell people about Revision, I don't say "demoparty", I say "computer art festival", because that's not subculture jargon.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by joe463369 »

asdfsa32 wrote: post #196
sunaookami wrote: post #119

Seems like this company got fined recently for breaching GDPR: https://www.ictrecht.nl/en/blog/leeftijdsverificatie-online-... >The Spanish privacy regulator (hereinafter: AEPD) recently imposed a fine of €950,000 on age verification service YOTI >For the unlawful processing of biometric personal data in violation of Article 9 of the GDPR, YOTI was fined €500,000. In addition, a fine of €200,000 was imposed for obtai…

About 3% of their revenue. In context, someone in UK using their phone while driving will be charged about £1000 pound or ~3% of the median income..

Someone using their phone while driving in the UK will almost certainly be charged £200. They'll only receive the maximum £1000 charge in extreme circumstances.

Please don't lie.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

trumpdong wrote: post #401
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #252

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True story: my house (in Australia) was raided by the police in 2022. 8 months later when they said I could collect all the gear they seized the officer in charge told me that the following are things they consider to be suspicious: 1. Use of MEGA (it's apparently used to share CSAM) 2. Use of virtual machines 3. "Having Tor on my computer" (I had to put that in quotes because whilst it doesn't make sense, that's wha…

Everyone should encrypt their hard drive. At all times. Even if your country has password disclosure it forces them to get a warrant from a judge for your password and the worst case is the same as the best case from not encrypting it. MEGA is indeed used to share CSAM and pirate stuff. That is its primary use actually but it's one of those institutions that maintains plausible deniability. Remember it was started af…

I only ever used MEGA a handful of times, and it was only for Android ROM downloads. The police commentary about MEGA was notable to me precisely because of how infrequently I'd used it despite their mention of it. They kinda tipped their hand with that. If they hadn't mentioned it, I wouldn't have known it was a red flag at all.

There's also a large chasm separating copyright infringing material and CSAM, and putting them together as "the primary use" as you did is, in my opinion, questionable agenda pushing.

I agree with your first paragraph, but your second one leaves me wondering about your motivations for commenting in the first place; MEGA and Kim Dotcom embarrassed US law enforcement for a long, long time.

I happen to think that KDC is a piece of shit. But it seems that would make him perfect tech-bro material, except that his copyright infringement wasn't seen as 'US preferential' at the time.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by foldr »

trumpdong wrote: post #438
foldr wrote: post #179

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That's because there's a pending appeal. It may take a while for the situation to fully resolve, legally speaking, but I think it's unlikely that the ban will be sustainable in the long term.

So the bad thing is still happening, but will eventually stop happening, maybe, and this is a win?

How would you propose to immediately put an end to the bad thing? Checks and balances take time. Any system that allowed this to be immediately fixed would also allow a whole bunch of other things to be immediately fucked up.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by minraws »

sofixa wrote: post #354
minraws wrote: post #349

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I don't know I don't think they were jailed but some guy also got arrested for saying bad stuff about the King https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwyenzdz66wo Sure courts won but the arrest is the issue. Courts general also win in other democratic third world countries but the initial arrest is enough of an intimidation. Also this is a slippery slope I remember one person you mentioned were bad but there was another w…

> Sure courts won but the arrest is the issue. Indeed, but police do this kind of thing in a lot of places. Didn't the US have multiple cases of people being arrested over comments on Kirk's death? It's not good, but cops on a power trip because you hurt their feelings is not a thing we can easily root out. Hence why courts matter. > All speech is hate speech of you are not in line with the current govt. Not at all w…

That's the problem mate, UK and US pretend they are free, democratic but the lived experience doesn't match up.

There are cases where things atleast have a decent ending but that's not even a given in so called free and democratic world.

The only constant is rights for people get stripped and reduced in the name of safety and security. And people consider politicians willing to given fake, and nonsensical answers as the democratic process.

How is that different from an authoritarian state?

> Yeah, no, 70% is ridiculous. I'm not sure you can clearly measure this, but at most 50%. Even with an abusive leader you can still criticise them and the monarch without fear of actual repercussions. In China prison time is basically guaranteed.

Just to note most people just get deplatformed for this stuff in china they don't get jailed. Since they control media China doesn't even care about putting you in an actual jail cell if you aren't a major active threat.

As for actual repercussions, people are getting shot at, put in jail with (even folks with green cards in US), and banned from travel (in UK). I am not sure how that isn't 70% of the way there. But it's fine if it's already alright with you that you consider 50% authoritarianism Free.

I am certain you agree that this nonsense is on the rise. But I am also certain you just haven't considered how close it is to actual authoritarianism.

China isn't just shooting people who have said stuff against China I could get a visa and travel without too much hassle even after showcasing visible displeasure with the country's rules.

US and UK doesn't even like me mentioning them negatively if I am applying for a visa.

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Post by yubblegum »

croes wrote: post #430
yubblegum wrote: post #412

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>> the country that has done the most for the cause of freedom That is the claim that has been challenged by many here. It's just too much, and I am not even Irish ..

in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king I guess the track record of other countries isn’t much better

As soon as "other countries" are mentioned as having done "the most" for freedom of bipeds I promise you they will roasted as well. 'k?

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by ben_w »

hparadiz wrote: post #422
ben_w wrote: post #414

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> My argument is our basic NHS level care costs us less labor to reach and that the rest of that spend is a luxury on nicer facilities, equipment, rooms, food, nurses and other personal which we are happy to spend because it's a luxury we have that only the rich in the UK can afford while in the US at least the middle class can reach that level. We also classify these costs as healthcare when you might classify them…

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> You don't seem to understand purchasing power what so ever.

I literally expressed it in terms of GDP.

I know I can be verbose at times, but US spends around 18.0% of GDP on health, UK 8.9%. Citations in previous comments.

> Anyway I was born in Europe so I know all this far better than you.

I also was born in Europe.

I still live in Europe, just a different country of Europe than where I started.

> Nothing about the NHS is free. They simply take it out of your paycheck.

As are the federal taxes covering Medicare and Medicaid and the state level stuff. Which. Sums. To. More. Than. The. UK. Spends. Per. Person.

(Aside: if you're going to insist it's "not free", back off about subsidised healthcare in the US: same applies).

Even when I then convert that to % of GDP, US government spending on healthcare is about the same as UK government spending on healthcare, but the US population then also spends more, as a percentage of GDP, on additional private healthcare, than the UK spends on just government healthcare, totalling just over twice as much as a percent of GDP.

The US spends around 18.0% of GDP on health, the UK 8.9%.

The UK population, spends less than half as much of its economic output, lives two years longer.

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