It's simply divided. With every such division A vs. B, the A team thinks HN is anti-A and the B team thinks it's anti-B. This is an invariant. You can see from the following megathread, currently on the front page, that HN is by no means anti-AI: Ask HN: What was your "oh shit" moment with GenAI? - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48406174 . Sometimes it just takes the right initial condition (e.g. title) to brin…
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#442There are two different crowds using "AI": - One crowd is using to research algorithms, libraries, write boilerplate code, write test harnesses, introspect and integrate with APIs, do hands-off refactoring, and automating what would otherwise be boring tasks. They still think about architecture, best practices, understanding things in detail and the general shape of the solution is in their hands. - Another crowd is…
…reads MRIs and video to detect cancer
…analyze genomics for early target discovery
…assisting surgeons
…folding proteins
And the list goes on in other fields as well. Just hoping the recent AI counterculture doesn’t stigmatize other uses of AI.
Am I a fan of Claude code? Not particularly, but I have used it on occasion. And I’ll never understand someone using an LLM to write anything (especially a comment on a site like HN) intended for consumption by other people. Not because I think it’s subpar, but because the point - IMO - is to make human connections, learn, teach, and debate. That’s hard (impossible?) to do if you’re just typing a 30 second prompt and then copy/pasting the output.
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#443Earlier quoted context omitted.
As an aside, the variety of examples in that other thread is impressive. Here are some that I noticed: Fixing my furnace: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48417845 New software for a retro keyboard: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48418158 Customizing my camper van: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48417379 Porting my astronomy app from an old Nokia phone: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48419242 Fi…
Oh dang, we all know –based on observation of your throughput and availability– that you're AI, you just can't "be nervous". Jokes aside, thanks for your selection. I had read some, but missed others until your comment. If it matters, I think there's some people that hasn't decided yet what tribe (pro-AI/anti-AI) they belong to. There's probably dozens of us!
Re: Ask HN: Why is the HN crowd so anti-AI?
#444Because AI use correlates with sloppiness, and due to the fundamental attribution fallacy us engineers don't like sloppiness.
I totally get why there's so much hype for AI.
Re: Ask HN: Why is the HN crowd so anti-AI?
#445Is bad because
> Users [...] care that the product works.
Is true.
If you want your project to work for more than a few weeks/months at a time, you need to put actual engineering effort into designing a product that works. "The AI can fix it when it inevitably breaks" doesn't change the fact that it broke, and now you have to pay for more tokens to fix it.
Well engineered software still breaks, obviously, but the class and severity of bugs is generally a whole hell of a lot less. When you have an engineer who understands the product, fixing problems is faster than naive "pls fix" prompts.
The fundamental misunderstanding is that "code" represents the entirety of a project. Your premise is that code is a means to an end, which isn't wrong, but your conclusion is "therefore code quality is irrelevant". These two ideas put together are extremely naive and outright incorrect.
In many ways, the code is the product. The functionality your users want is literally encoded in the program. It's true that the aesthetic qualities of the code are largely irrelevant to that goal, but the code needs to be correct. Otherwise the functionally is incorrect and your users are unhappy. Moreover, the product needs to stay working indefinitely under practically infinite use cases. The only way that happens is if you put actual engineering effort into designing a system that works and is correct. The way that happens is if you write good, correct, and readable code.
AI generated code is not a bad thing in and of itself.
The bad and objectively incorrect idea is that you don't need to put thought, consideration, or engineering into a project because you have an infinite code machine.
These two notions are not mutually exclusive. You can have hand written slop that blows up on launch. You can have well engineered and architected AI written code. The problem is when people think that code is all that matters and thought is no longer required because any problem can be fixed with more code.
This is something fundamental that comes up in literally every domain. If you want your solution to work for the next ten minutes, you can slap together anything that works. If you want your solution to last a generation, you have to engineer it to do so. Bridges, houses, sewer systems, cars, medicine, code, interpersonal relationships. To do a job well, you have to put effort in and you have to think critically.
The bulk of the "anti-AI" sentiment you're complaining about is not about AI. It is the objectively correct rejection of your attitude that infinite code can replace thought, design, and engineering. Code isn't the problem, it's that you're ignoring everything else that makes a project work. This is plain and simple reality. Having infinite nails does not mean you can build a three story apartment block. Having infinite rivets doesn't mean you can build the golden gate bridge.
Infinite code does not make you an engineer.
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#446Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’ll agree it’s an edge. But edges aren’t worth the GDP of a middle sized European country. > every level of "it can't do it" has fallen and generally faster & more decisively than predicted I disagree. The agent + harness model was a huge leap and really moved the bar. The tools became genuinely useful for coding very quickly. > Everyone has their own perspective but to me "show me the receipt" at a specific point i…
I get that results in your mind is a vibecoded full feature photoshop as the goal post, which is fair enough. That's no less arbitrary than say me defining the goal post as can it make me a useful script & thus has already delivered results with receipts. That's why I'm saying this whole look at one point in time logic isn't useful here. Depending on where you set the cutoff you get diametrically opposed answers. >Po…
I think vibe coded photoshop is what’s being talked about from Anthropic, OpenAI as the end goal - Dario is on record saying that AI will replace engineers and Sam Altman has said “ we will never ever write code by hand again. It doesn't make any sense to do so”. The cursor founder has said that he ships 10x what his other engineers ship. I want to know where people _genuinely_ think the cutoff is, because there’s a lot of talk about where it’s not, and that’s gmoving the goalposts.
> The IPO & bubble financial shenanigans are only loosely linked to the technological advancement.
Except they’re not. Someone is paying for this compute power, and energy.
> In my mind the base case assumption here has to be that the trend (that has been remarkably consistent)
Making wild promises, and insane promises about capability and then doing the same thing 3 months later when a new model releases? Isn’t it convenient that both OpenAI and Anthropic have models that are “too powerful” to release. How responsible of them.
At the same time; Anthropic, OpenAI and Copilot have all changed to usage based to billing recently for enterprises as they’ve been been undercharging by 10/100/1000x in many cases. Enterprises are limiting costs (uber limiting spend to $1500/mo this week).
If these tools were really game changing and integer productivity multipliers why aren’t major engineering organisations spending all their hiring grown on these tools and getting ahead of their competitors? Because they’re “not quite ready” just like they weren’t 6 months ago, and they still won’t be in 6 months.
Re: Ask HN: Why is the HN crowd so anti-AI?
#447Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's definitely not at the make me a photoshop stage but I don't think that angle explains adequately explains the tone of the anti-AI hn discussions taking place at all. If it was just a toy with no shot at making something real people would go "oh cool have fun with that" and move on with their life. Instead we see pretty emotionally charged posts.
I can't speak for others, but my main emotional issue with it is how it has addled the minds of my employers. If they would judge on output and I couldn't keep up objectively, ok fine I'll use AI. But they judge on usage even if output is worse! Anyone would be upset if forced to abandon their skills and work in a different way that produces worse results and is less enjoyable. It's just stupid.
Re: Ask HN: Why is the HN crowd so anti-AI?
#448A Quinnipiac poll showed 80% of Americans are "very" or "somewhat" concerned about artificial intelligence, with only 35% feeling excited about it
https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3955
Gallup found that 71% of Americans oppose the construction of AI data centers in their local communities.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/709772/americans-oppose-data-ce...
A Fox News Poll indicated that 80% of voters believe protecting the public's interests and enacting regulations should be prioritized over unchecked technological innovation.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-voters-see-ai...
And Pew Research found that the majority of Americans are "more concerned than excited" about AI, with that number increasing over the years
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2026/03/12/key-findi...