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S&P 500 rejects SpaceX, also blocking entry for OpenAI and Anthropic

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Re: S&P 500 rejects SpaceX, also blocking entry for OpenAI and Anthropic

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Then move your savings into some other vehicle instead.

If only! Many people have limited options for investing based on their employer's allowed plans that match 401k contributions

They’re usually mutual funds managed by a brokerage or a company like Vanguard. Those funds often will have different management strategies than S&P 500.

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Letting new stocks marinate in the market and get 4 quarters of SEC filings along with following all the GAAP accounting practices will definitely help evaluate them before inclusion. The last large boom/bust cycle had a couple of companies, at least, that were doing illegal things. I'm not stating that these three are, just that nobody knows and the process should play out. I do wonder if any of these three companie…

What happens if the auditors use software that consumes the model provider they are auditing? Seems like an obvious conflict of interest for the model, no? I think that’s not how that works today, but I’m sure that it could and will one day.

How is this any different than Microsoft? I suspect all of the big four use AD and Windows in their enterprise yet that isn’t a dealbreaker for auditing MS’ financials.

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After 12 months the market will have sorted it out. They can’t fake it with investment banker tricks for that long.

Tell that to r/gme

More like tell that to /r/tesla

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You'll eventually get exposure to it when it gets added in 12 months. Unless there are better profitability criteria. Ultimately it's all about market returns. If other indexes add it and outperform then eventually money will shift to those funds that do better.

I don't think they ever got profitable for 4 consecutive quarters, if you count xAi. Anyway, if other indexes add it, and it fails spectacularly, money will shift to those funds that do better.

I'll take consistency over temporarily high returns that require you to time the market

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Stocks and money should be boring for most people. I'm not a financial adviser and this isn't financial advice but I believe no one with a net worth less than $2m should ever buy an individual stock. Invest in a target date retirement fund for your 401k. Same for Roth Ira. If you have more money to invest after that, invest in an index that aligns with you values (for example I invest in an ESG index for environmenta…

It’s because you just lived through a 10 year period of the best growth for passive, and there is a tremendous amount of marketing online for passive. I don’t disagree with your basic idea, but not being able to articulate alternatives so that you know when they make sense is going to hurt you. We are possibly seeing a major failure mode for passive for the first time.

That's true, but what are the alternatives? Personally I do have alternative investments (crypto, random held stocks) but it's because it's fun money - if it goes to zero, I'm not going to lose the house.

If it's the first time it's failing then there's really nothing anyone can do to prepare for it, and I certainly wouldn't recommend laypeople to try to time the market.

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First off, there's a fiscal hole that has to come from somewhere. If it doesn't come from AI oligarchs, it's going to come from the rich at large, or the working class. Real talk, if it comes from the working class, we're 100% going to have a revolution, life is getting unsustainable for a large swathe of normal Americans already. If working class folks feel they're getting bent over for oligarchs now, they'll steal…

> there's a fiscal hole that has to come from somewhere. Why? If new technology is invented that enables us to do new things with fewer resources doesn’t that create wealth? It didn’t take it, it made a new thing.

You should do the math on how much AI would have to create in order to fill the hole. Spoiler: we'd need nearly the best case scenarios for AI driven global GDP growth predicted by the most bullish firms, we'd need to regress to pre-Reagan corporate tax rates AND the AI companies would need to suddenly grow a conscious and stop their tax avoiding ways.

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Company performance doesnt follow a uniform distribution where each company is as likely to overperform as any other. Selling companies that are run well because their stock went up is a great way to miss out on a lot of money.

If you're reliably beating the market over a long time horizon by picking specific stocks, you're a billionaire, or soon to be.

Picking an equal weight fund is closer to picking specific stocks than investing in the S&P500 imo

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What happens if the auditors use software that consumes the model provider they are auditing? Seems like an obvious conflict of interest for the model, no? I think that’s not how that works today, but I’m sure that it could and will one day.

How is this any different than Microsoft? I suspect all of the big four use AD and Windows in their enterprise yet that isn’t a dealbreaker for auditing MS’ financials.

Are you honestly trying to imply that Excel is as easy to invisibly manipulate as ChatGPT?

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> I found S&P 500 Equal Weight to be pretty attractive. The rebalancing required to maintain equal weights means constantly selling your winners and buying more of your losers. That creates volatility drag. Stock returns are highly skewed: only about 4% of stocks outperform the market, and are responsible for most of its gains. By keeping your allocation to those stocks small through constant rebalancing, you are mis…

If big tech ends up seeing a 40-50% draw down in the next 2-3 years, what ETF is best equipped to limit the blast radius?

Small cap value did well in the 2000 tech crash and SP600 (small cap) doesn’t have many direct datacenter or AI exposed names compared to large and mid cap indexes. But given the scale of capex across the US they aren’t immune from secondary effects.

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> I found S&P 500 Equal Weight to be pretty attractive. The rebalancing required to maintain equal weights means constantly selling your winners and buying more of your losers. That creates volatility drag. Stock returns are highly skewed: only about 4% of stocks outperform the market, and are responsible for most of its gains. By keeping your allocation to those stocks small through constant rebalancing, you are mis…

If big tech ends up seeing a 40-50% draw down in the next 2-3 years, what ETF is best equipped to limit the blast radius?

This isn't financial advice, but if they dropped 40-50%, things like consumer staples would go up. In fact, they did this Friday, when everything else melted.

The best defensive stock for those situations is WMT, but you can think of other similar names as you reason through the why. That's where I'd go. There are many ETFs such as VDC (Vanguard Consumer Staples).

If you don't want to be so defensive, you could go VTV which is basically "large cap value stocks" so it still includes some Tech like Intel but it's way more diversified into other industries.

Gold is more inflation-related, so I wouldn't go there, at least not for the 40-50% draw down scenario you're describing.

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